Ig Nutomic really hasn't changed his stance on their infamous DM and this time, it was on a public thread
On any of the donation threads where it came up and he replied to it, the most he ever did was some half hearted corporate PR "apology" (ironic)
"Do you also perform this kind of background check for every product you buy in the supermarket?"
Uh. Yeah. We do. That's why we're constantly coming on here telling people what companies to boycott. Do you not follow your own movements?
What a weird way to "defend" himself. Of course everyone scrutinizes what they buy in the store and what that company does with their money. People boycott products all across the political spectrum.
He's deeply into the "grasping at straws" stage of this.
For such a dedicated "communist" it sure does sound like they just go to Walmart and purchase whatever corporate slop is thrust in front of them. Like the idea of scrutinizing or boycotting groceries companies is such an alien concept to them as to be ridiculous.
Hmm.
Yeah, did he really think people won't? It's pretty damn shitty to also demand free pass just because they're making stuff that's being distributed for free. What's funnier is that he also think people wouldn't go back to reddit or migrate to piefed or other reddit-like fediverse project. This two guys have the ego of trump.
How can you call "the transgender topic" at all "controversial"? You either support and protect minorities or you don't.
Also, my man db0 is just the goat.
I mean, it is absolutely controversial. Whether or not it should be controversial is what you seem to be referring to. I 100% agree that it shouldn’t be controversial, because human rights should never be controversial. But as it currently stands, it is an extremely divisive topic with strong opinions in both directions; claiming otherwise is outright disingenuous.
How can you call “the transgender topic” at all “controversial”?
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What universe are you living in where everyone agrees and has the same opinions about transgender people? It's more or less the definition of a controversial topic.
Weather the whole concept causes controversy vs if trans identity is valid are two separate things.
At one point (before scrambling my instance so lost to this account) I made it a point to create a thread on a LGBT comm just to try and get some insight from people who actually lived it since I'm pretty far off from it and it was pretty enlightening. There are still some things I don't really understand and don't expect I will without direct experience.
In the end though it doesn't cost anything for people to just treat the trans community as regular humans who in no way are hurting you. To that end the notion of if trans ID is valid shouldn't be seen as controversial outside of by those refusing to allow someone else to live their life as they want to.
The world of morality purity testing. According to the democrats or the "left" in america right now, if you don't pass the test at all times you are scum and should be banned and silenced. I'm just amazed so many people apparently have made not a single mistake in their lives.
I'll give a good example, I think. Pete Hegseth is bad at his job and says controversial things, and yet all I hear about him is how much he likes drinking. You don't need the purity test to dislike the guy, and yet its the first choice anyways.
Do you do this for every product in the supermarket
Bro where you been? Nestle is the classic example, tesla is a newer one, proton too, chic fil a, etc.
Yeah. People do also boycott stuff. What the fuck does he mean lmao.
ProtonMail was a huge disappointment. I was a paying customer.
But I'm happy so far with Tuta.
db0 trying not to be based challenge:
Impossible.
I mean they still left the begging thread up with the "separate the art from the artist" message, and let Nutomic intentionally mislead users about "developer salaries" not going to support .ml. If they really wanted to be based they would have banned Nutomic for being a greedy little pig boy and told people to donate to Piefed.
I mean they still left the begging thread up
That was me [that crossposted; just thought mander had a good idea :)] 😅 Sorry.
with the "separate the art from the artist" message
That's db0's fault to bear :p He actually walked it back later, seeing how nutomic refused to back down his beliefs.
If they really wanted to be based they would have banned Nutomic for being a greedy little pig boy and told people to donate to Piefed.
Good idea--I'd love to do that. I've been swaying all admins on the team to (in a year or two??) maybe switch to piefed. I've also helped a bit with piefed development directly; even helping with some migration tool rimu/AP are interested in. Hopefully we can in the future :D
Honestly, seeing how much of a shitshow that thread was; i think i'm going to delete it. I'll wait for it to cool down in some days, and make a fundraiser post for rimu.
@[email protected] appreciation
Probably the best admin on this entire platform, but I am biased as I am under their instance.
Agreed, as another person on dbzer lol
Shadow from lemmy.ca is also great. I've never had a single complaint about how they run things.
This is really shitty but it doesn't surprise me at all. He's trying to make a shift because he doesn't want to face repercussions of being labeled transphobic, possibly being widely banned and ostracized.
It's very different when someone actually realizes they were wrong and want to change and be better. Nutomic isn't doing that here, he just wants people to give donations and to avoid fallout from him letting his opinions slip publicly.
Bro is literally panicking that he might have to get a real job.
obviously human rights apply to everyone including transgender people.
I'm not going to get bent out of shape on that statement. It isn't doubling down or escalating like the folks still sending death threats over shit like neopronouns.
I think it's more the evasion and unwillingness to show support for trans rights, which should be easy. The fact he is hesitant or worried to show support indicates he thinks there is something wrong with the view that trans women are women, etc.
I'm sure this whole "support trans people without question or thought" thing is going to work out spectacularly. Definitely not pushing away allies left and right.
The topic of trans women in sports is a complex one and not black and white.
If Usain Bolt identified as a women and underwent the required procedures (not sure what that would be if any) Should he be allowed to compete in women's sports?
I'm not really good at refuting the points made against including trans people in sports, but John Oliver in Last Week Tonight did a segment about trans athletes if you actually want to learn about the pro trans athlete arguments.
Thanks, I will give it a watch I enjoy his content. I have a controversial opinion but I'm open to have my mind changed.
While he did spend a part of an hour in the topic, keep in mind its a very limited and narrow perspective on the situation. Its still good for him to have done an episode on it though, worth watching. I would recommend watching both right and left wing media on the subject if you want to try to understand the disagreements about it.
Do you care more that a significant proportion of the population (0.5% of people depending on statistics) can be comfortable and fit into categories without being discriminated and thus have a community and do sports.
Or do you care more about who wins a medal at the olympics?
Essentially, do you care more about protecting medals or protecting people?
first off thats a hypothetical situation made up for the single purpose of excusing discrimination.
second off, I think you should look into the process of transitioning. It seems that you just think it's bottom surgery ("required procedures") and that's it.
Please learn about this topic before claiming that you know both sides. You can't say its black and white when you haven't even looked into the "required procedures".
Just want to say that a large amount of users on lemmygrad and hexbear have complained about this. This post was even added to the slop community on hexbear because, believe it or not, hexbear does care about transphobia. He was called out 8-9 months ago too. As far as I know he is banned from hexbear, but I might be mistaken.
Most ML parties in the US I've interacted with have been pro trans. CPUSA, PSL, FRSO, APL, (to name a few) are all supportive of trans people.
Y'all are free to criticize tankies to your hearts content, but Nutomics views on this topic do not represent the views of most of the tankies you've interacted with on lemmy.
You don’t get to say you care about transphobia, then support multiple nations that persecute LGBT+ people.
Hexbear doesn’t give a shit about transphobia unless pointing it out suits whatever thread they’re brigading.
Yeah even Hexbear is against Nutomics right now. I can personally confirm this.
No idea about lemmygrad personally, but Hexbear is currently calling for Nutomics to remain site banned for this. They banned Nutomics. They don't like him.
I have issues with Hexbear for other reasons, but they are on our side for this issue.
EDIT: They're still against Nutomics and hate their transphobia. So much for "will fall in line when admins give the word." I dislike Hexbear for a lot of reasons but this is not one of them.
Marxists arent authoritarian bootlickers.
You don't understand what you stand for.
Do you consider yourself a tankie?
Tbh.... Rare Nutomic W. I don't agree with him, but people on here hounding people over this one very specific issue and trying to make them a social pariah if they have a "wrong" opinion is pathetic.
Putting my response to some other comments here from users literally calling for people to die because they hold this rather moderate position:
Honestly... If I was going to be a transphobe, it would be because how you lot act on here, not due to actual right wing influences. Thankfully I have spoken to a few people who are transgender activists who are actually respectful, decent, and well grounded people. But the proportion of people I come across who aren't at least makes me want to have nothing to do with the movement itself. Which is a real shame, because a few transgender people I have come across and know are lovely, but there's a large voice out there giving them a bad name, and I feel like that voice may be contributing to the current political shift.
Flax, this thing where you walk into a thread about trans issues and your only contribution is calling people crazy and pedantry is getting really old. It doesn't make you look smart, you just come across as someone trying to mask their transphobia (and no, I'm not calling you a transphobe).
I know I'm not a transphobe. I'm just sick of seeing people act like this online. I know exactly how everyone else views it. It makes it hard to stand up for transgender people when some people act like this. And any time I try and point that out, they quickly label me as an enemy. I don't know who's leading this movement, but it starts to seem like some weird cult.
I'm not walking into random threads either- it's appearing on my feed. I'm not deliberately searching it out. I am regularly active in these communities.
The fact that you think this is worthy of posting in this community is bizarre. It's hard for me to imagine a more agreeable and reasonable statement.
A lot of users on hexbear and lemmygrad, along with some users on .ml, have extreme political positions that are worth documenting in this community. But I don't think this post fits the criteria at all. In general, I don't think Nutomic has ever really expressed any tankie opinions, so I don't understand why people continue to persecute him while using the software that he helped build.
If you have a problem with lemmy.ml as a server that's one thing, but it's pretty trashy to harass the volunteer developer of a FOSS platform that you use for free. How about finding someone else to pick on, there's plenty of worse people out there.
A) There's literally a pinned post in this comm that this post is, essentially, a sequel too.
B.1) One of the things they always say on the Tankie Triad is that their instance(s) are trans safe spaces, how can .ml be a trans safe space with a literal transphobe as main admin?
B.2) There's no place in a just world for transphobia
It doesn't quite fit, true, but Nutomic is a tankie. He's not as mask-off as the other lemmy developers, but he's still a tankie, transphobic and is okay with tankie extremism.
Also consider this a warning: no apologia -- No defending tankies.
so I don’t understand why people continue to persecute him while using the software that he helped build.
It's an open source project. If you want strict controls over who uses your software, an open source license is not the right choice.
Sure, I understand that. Which is part of the reason I'm skeptical of tankie accusations, because building open source software doesn't seem like the actions of a tankie. The structure of Lemmy is decentralized and grassroots, while tankies tend to support and advocate for centralized and authoritarian structures. So it's kind of the opposite of the purported beliefs of tankies.
Tell us you’re a terf without saying you hate trans people.
I'm not going to say I agree with nutomic on this one cos that would get me banned.
Edit: haven't been banned here but it seems db0 has given me an instance ban from db0 instance lol. Can't even complain about it on power tripping bastards cos I bene banned from that as well.
Your instance bans for hate speech, then? If so, I'm sure you'd be welcome somewhere in the tankie triumvirate. It'd make it easier for the sensible world to not deal with your regressive ass.
The tankies banned me for being a liberal.
Follow your leader, Nazi. You don't deserve to breathe.