Ig Nutomic really hasn't changed his stance on their infamous DM and this time, it was on a public thread
On any of the donation threads where it came up and he replied to it, the most he ever did was some half hearted corporate PR "apology" (ironic)
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Tbh.... Rare Nutomic W. I don't agree with him, but people on here hounding people over this one very specific issue and trying to make them a social pariah if they have a "wrong" opinion is pathetic.
Putting my response to some other comments here from users literally calling for people to die because they hold this rather moderate position:
Honestly... If I was going to be a transphobe, it would be because how you lot act on here, not due to actual right wing influences. Thankfully I have spoken to a few people who are transgender activists who are actually respectful, decent, and well grounded people. But the proportion of people I come across who aren't at least makes me want to have nothing to do with the movement itself. Which is a real shame, because a few transgender people I have come across and know are lovely, but there's a large voice out there giving them a bad name, and I feel like that voice may be contributing to the current political shift.
this is gross. honestly reads like “i agree with all that BLM stuff as long as they don’t act up”
More like "I'm not transphobic, I've spoken with a few trans before!"
fucken seriously. the phrasing of “you lot” is only just hitting me. that sort of passive bigotry somehow feels worse than outright transphobia.
I don't support BLM. Doesn't mean I don't think that black people should have the same rights as everyone else. I do.
Flax, this thing where you walk into a thread about trans issues and your only contribution is calling people crazy and pedantry is getting really old. It doesn't make you look smart, you just come across as someone trying to mask their transphobia (and no, I'm not calling you a transphobe).
I know I'm not a transphobe. I'm just sick of seeing people act like this online. I know exactly how everyone else views it. It makes it hard to stand up for transgender people when some people act like this. And any time I try and point that out, they quickly label me as an enemy. I don't know who's leading this movement, but it starts to seem like some weird cult.
I'm not walking into random threads either- it's appearing on my feed. I'm not deliberately searching it out. I am regularly active in these communities.
Sick of acting like what, having a different opinion and telling you to fuck off when you call them part of a cult? Like, how do you expect shit like "If I was going to be a transphobe, it would be because how you lot" to be received?
Also, first and final warning, I consider the implicit 'trans cult' stuff here to be a violation of our 'no transphobia' rule.
I'm talking about the idea of "wrongthink" as being cult-like tactics. I'm not saying transgender people are in a cult.
Secondly, when I raise my concern by saying that it "might be" cult-like to try and silence anyone who raises such a concern about transgender people using certain bathrooms, changing rooms, or participating in women's sports (which is what I'm talking about) you threaten to ban me from the Lemmy instance I have been a part of for two years and have donated to (albeit in small amounts) also, and have been trying to do small acts of helping out here and there. You threaten to ban me from a Lemmy instance based in the United Kingdom for me saying stuff that's less far gone than our own supreme court. You're threatening to ban me because I don't agree with you. Not once have I ever called for a finger of harm to be laid on transgender people. In this thread, I'm simply saying that people claiming a lead developer of lemmy deserves to die is cruel and inhumane. You threaten to ban me because I am standing against people saying that Nutomic deserves to die for not agreeing with them. Can't you at least understand now where I got the "cult like" tactics idea now? If you disagree with what I say, downvote me. Let me be downvoted. Criticise my opinion. Give a defence. Give me examples on why I shouldn't use the term "cult" here, yet how it's okay for other users of this instance to claim a large amount of the British population is in a cult simply because of their religious beliefs.. Don't threaten to disfellowship me.
Thirdly, this place is where I get to hear the other side. Do you really want to force me to use an echo chamber by banning me?
Flamingos, this is pathetic and a flagrant abuse of admin power. Not once did I ever claim I wanted harm to come to transgender people. In fact, I am standing against the same bullying that another instance used to defederate us. There's no need to read between the lines here. I barely know what "dogwhistling" is nevermind people accusing me of doing it. I don't mean any more than what I say. And what I've said is that we should calm down on this bullying about other people's views on what special considerations should be given to transgender people, and that transgender people should be treated with respect, dignity, and be free from harassment like everybody else.
My warning was very pointed and specifically about rhetoric, not the actual underlying opinions.
Give me examples on why I shouldn’t use the term “cult” here, yet how it’s okay for other users of this instance to claim a large amount of the British population is in a cult simply because of their religious beliefs..
The trans cult thing is a common talking point by transphobes to discredit the idea of being trans, that it's nothing more than brainwashing. I really don't know how you expect "I don’t know who’s leading this movement, but it starts to seem like some weird cult" to come across, but it reads like you saying anyone with a more progressive opinion to you is in a cult. It's very easy for someone to make the jump from that to believing you think trans movement more broadly is a cult, especially given you're a transmedicalist.
Also, that comment by Hossenfeffer is clearly made in jest and, unlike trans people, Christians aren't a marginalised identity in Britain.
Thirdly, this place is where I get to hear the other side. Do you really want to force me to use an echo chamber by banning me?
No, that's why I gave a warning. I don't think you appreciate how much more leeway you get because I understand you come from a conservative background. You constantly say you're bad with this and when I try to clear up the boundaries of what I consider acceptable, you accuse me of engaging in cult-like tactics. Maybe I was too curt, but I'm trying to help you. I'm trans myself, so I hope you can appreciate why I'm sensitive to this stuff.
There’s no need to read between the lines here. I barely know what “dogwhistling” is nevermind people accusing me of doing it.
I'd really appreciate if you did read up on it. I can only moderate based on what you write, not what's in your head. I and others can't tell the difference between genuine ignorance or pretending to be ignorant to sneak bigotry in under the radar. The Green Party has a good page on trans/queer dogwhistles.
Thank you for clearing this up. I would prefer an approach like this rather than a straight ban threat. I can understand how you misunderstood what I meant by "cult" now, I should have been more clear. I'm talking about the cancel culture aspect. I should have been more clear about that, and I apologise. The movement I was referring to was the movement of people who want to silence people who disagree with them surrounding this topic. If someone believes in full recognition and inclusion of trans women as cis women, for example, but wouldn't call for the death or claiming people they disagree with deserve to die, that's not what I was referring to (Again, I should have been more clear). I think the context of the thread helps, including where my comment I was quoting and in response to someone telling someone else "you don't deserve to breathe" which I stand by, the treatment of that user and hate of that sense directed towards nutomic is disgusting.
Also, ty for the link!
Are the terms afab/amab still okay? I try and use them as opposed to "biological women" as I heard that one could be a dogwhistle before
Sorry if it came across that hostile, I tend to be snappy after waking up and we've had a lot of transphobia lately.
Are the terms afab/amab still okay? I try and use them as opposed to “biological women” as I heard that one could be a dogwhistle before
AFAB/AMAB are fine, encouraged even. 'Biological women' is generally used by gender critical types as a dog whistle to mean that only cis women are real women.
That's okay. I hope you're getting on okay in the recent climate. Please be good to yourself.