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  • YDI.

    If you go around down voting everything, that's not acting in good faith. Down voting the post, yeah, that's one thing and it's perfectly fine to down vote posts that are (to your best knowledge) misinformation.

    The problem starts when you go into comment sections and down vote everything. See, if you're doing that, it's ignoring whether or not the comments are on for the post. Disagreement isn't a valid reason to vote bomb an entire comment section. That's what an asshole does.

    Now, I have done plenty of down voting in that community. But no blanket knee jerk vote sprees. That's where you cross from reasonable opposition into just trying to fuck with people.

    It doesn't even matter what the topic is for this community. It isn't about validating or invalidating your opinion of subject, it's about whether or not the mod action was justified based on your actions. And they absolutely were.

    • That was the only comment I voted on. Because I did not see the person being helpful based on their posts. I did not vote spree the other comment sections. I did vote on the posts... I would not call that downvoting of posts in the community kneejerk. The statement the mod gave is not true I checked to make absolutely sure.

      Thank you for elaborating though.

      • Everything I downvoted was because I genuinely do not think it's good.

        That's what you said in your post. Everything implies that you voted on more than one thing.

        I'm not sure why you would down vote multiple posts instead of blocking a community, but it does change things a little as long as it wasn't blanket voting where you just went through and hit the down button arbitrarily on a long line of posts. If that's what you were doing, it doesn't change the YDI part, because that's inevitably going to get you banned from any community at some point. The question would become one of threshold; how many did you arbitrarily down vote rather than the fact of doing it at all.

        If you just down voted them as you came across them scrolling the all feed, you'd only have hit maybe five or six based on the slow posting of that community. So, if it's more than that, you had to have gone to the community directly specifically to down vote, and that's pretty shitty behavior, ban worthy at that.

        If it was less than that, then jet absolutely power tripped. You can't determine the intent of the user from less than a handful of votes, particularly if they're recent posts.

        But, hey, that's what this community is about, figuring out where the boundaries of what lemmy as a whole consider acceptable mores of moderation and user behavior.

    • The community in question is entirely dedicated to dangerous medical misinformation, their purpose for existence is fundamentally bad-faith and should be drowned in downvotes

      • I disagree.

        While I absolutely question the carnivore diet as a general thing, the way the community is handled has shifted from the way it started. Back in the beginning, I was in the same frame of thought you are, and said so directly in the community (eventually).

        But jet in specific, and other users, have shifted to better citations, and a more frequent way of presenting their opinions. I do not believe they engage in misinformation currently. If I believed so, I would be obligated by my personal ethical code to attempt to have admins shut it down. Can't say it would succeed, but I'd have to try.

        Since jet in specific is very good about putting in disclaimers that people should approach the diet with care, I definitely can't call it bad faith. Acknowledgement of the diet being limited in scope for the general population is good faith discussion by default.

        Again, I definitely disagree with the claims made by some of the people in linked videos. What they recommend doesn't match current best practices, and is usually extrapolated from data that is specific to limited circumstances and applied generally, which is very flawed. There's also non medical issues with attempting a pure carnivorous diet, but I doubt those would be relevant to this.

        As such, I still maintain that down voting everything willy nilly is a justifiable reason for bans, which is what this community is about.

        If you feel that the community is dangerous, harmful, or otherwise shouldn't be accessible, throwing down votes at everything is not the appropriate method to address the issue. And that's what the post was about, not whether or not the community should exist. If you genuinely feel that strongly about the dangers involved, you should be contacting the admins of the instance and explaining that to them.

  • YDI, going into a community to downvote everything is toxic behavior and mods have every right to ban you for it. And they probably should, it's obviously not a good fit for you.

    • Dangerous medical misinformation should be downvoted, communities dedicated to it should be disbanded

      • In the case of a hypothetical community dedicated to medical disinformation, I think the way to go is not mass downvoting but reporting posts/comments and letting admins deal with it. If necessary, admins can go as far as deleting the community. If the community is on a different instance, they can still “delete” it from view on their instance, and ultimately there’s always the “nuclear option” of defederation.

        Mass downvoting is generally how one gets banned from a community or instance.

      • If you think there is dangerous medical misinformation you should report it or message the admins. Downvoting everything just looks like Vote manipulation to regular people because it is, and those mods are going to ban people for it either way. It also doesn't help make admins aware of it, so for policy violations doing that instead of reporting or messaging admins is as useless as doing nothing at all.

  • I think you’re right to oppose the carnivore diet however downvoting every post is not the best course of action.

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