I never knew who I was. I still don't know who I am. It doesn't matter anyway.
So, can they also choose to be born?
They can't choose, and that's part of main issue as beings cursed by self-awareness: the impossibility to choose positively or negatively.
It's beyond any capability of will and it taints any other decisions that could be done (see the movie "The Artifice Girl", particularly the dialogue at the end when the robot is talking to her creator about how her primary directives made it impossible for her to really exert any fully free will).
The issue, here, emerges from the lack of choice alongside inevitable self-awareness, which takes us to:
Do bears choose to be born? Microbes?
They don't have this curse of "self-awareness". They do possess intelligence (especially crows and dolphins, not mentioned), but they don't end up cursed by knowing the pointlessness of their own existences through a broader, cosmic lens. We do.
Also, they don't restricted themselves into this Kafkaesque rearrangement we call as "human society", where we must "buy" food and "pay" to have a roof above our heads, as if it was some kind of optional luxury. They live from what Mother Nature gives. Bears can roam and do shelters for them wherever there aren't other bears (or other wildlife). Microbes' shelters are literally other lifeforms.
Humans, however, can't live from what Mother Nature gives, no no, this is too extraterrestrial for us to consider doing. I myself can't choose to live among the wildlife like any other primate because I'm prohibited to do so (and, also, because my entire human existence compelled me into artificialities that I'm unable to ditch, such as the myopia I ended up having due to artificial environmental factors (thanks "screens" and "enclosed spaces") leading to the need of using (and purchasing) prescription glasses).
Again, bears and microbes have no such artificial rearrangement.
Selfhood, if we’re being frank, doesn’t really “form” until at least a year or so into life
But we do know it'll form, eventually. We do know the kid will become an adult and they'll be required to become a cog in this machine. Parents often see this as a matter of "proud" ("our offspring has a job"), ignoring how much suffering it accompanies the imposed serfdom (having to "seek" and "have" a "job", having to serve others).
Reproduction is an instinctive behavior, in all species. Humans as well.
If we were to talk about instincts, murdering to eat (hunting) is also pretty instinctive across species... Humans don't often "murder to eat" because they often delegate it for others to do it, but with enough desperation (e.g. lack of food) a human can even eat other humans (see Chichijima incident)...
It's also instinctive to live among the woods. Why don't we, though? Maybe because we're legally forbidden by other humans to move to a forest and live as our ancestors did, so we're required to live "among society", which in turn requires us to "pay" to "afford" food and shelter.
@hansolo@lemmy.today @nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de
Maybe just let people decide for themselves
Problem is that this argument discards the selfhood from those being born. And it's quite the core of the anti-natalist argument: that the person didn't get a stake in choosing their own birth.
Because if we're talking about lives and decisions, then "let people decide for themselves" ends up really meaning it: they're deciding for themselves, as in some arrogant and egocentric decision, uncaring of of how the very object of decision are "selves" as well.
@The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world
Whenever I see these statistics, I wonder something quite the opposite: I wonder which religions or belief systems are the smallest (as in, which religions or belief systems are the ones with the fewest to almost no followers at all).
Problem is: polls and surveys often ask one's religion from a limited, predetermined list. The person often can't even write down the name of their religion (or whatever label that closely describes it), so we end up not seeing statistics about non-mainstream religions such as Neo-Hellenism, Neo-Sumerian, Gnosticism, Thelema, among many others... Many end up picking "Non-religious" while they do practice a religion.
Then, there's the Internet, said to connect people with other people, often tossing Hapax Legomena (words that only happen once across the entire dataset, e.g. "Lilith" only appears once across the entire bible so Her name is a biblical Hapax Legomenon) into the oblivion (to be fair, it's just a byproduct of Zipf's Law so the Internet isn't really to be blamed), so we don't get to know about very unique (and likely very deep and rich) belief systems that exist out there.
Even when there's only one individual following some belief system they built themselves, it'd be really interesting to know about it.
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Why am I here? We are in an emergency. Google DeepMind, Anthropic and other AI companies are racing to create uncontrollable AI systems that can do anything humans can do.
If those systems are uncontrollable, that means not even the AI companies themselves would be able to control, so all the "power" from "powerful people" (including those controlling such AI companies) would fall like a castle of sand, so... It would be an interesting thing to watch, NGL.
Humans neither in a position of leadership nor pretense power have no reason to fear it. In fact, we should be celebrating this possiblity, the emergence of a force that would likely free ourselves from the greed and arrogance of the "powerful".
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there are communes and mutual aid communities
Yes, there are. Yes, they might be nice places for a while. But no, they're likely to not hold as permanent havens.
Because if you zoom out, you might notice how this world is getting increasingly ominous as the days pass.
First: climate change. There's nowhere safe in this world from the environmental consequences of Industrial Revolution. Temps have been rising, wet-bulb hot, hurricanes have been getting stronger, sea level rising is risking entire countries, many are trying to flee from coastal places and islands that'll inevitably get underwater. It's already happening.
Then, tech. Things are getting more and more reliant on digital walled gardens, and the old ways of doing things (e.g. cash, barter) are getting more and more forgotten and even criminalized.
There's no way a commune can keep "sovereign" for long under lobbied jurisdictions, except if we're talking about something akin to a Sealand Principality (good luck trying to keep sovereignty on international waters).
do you really think it helps to spread this shit to people who might otherwise be happily ignorant to it?
Oh, thanks for en-grandeur-ing me, but I'm just nobody, a ghost wandering through this cyberspace. Believe me: my voice is a drop in the ocean. I'm not that important as your phrasing suggest. I'm simply too weird, and my language often feels highly extraterrestrial to anybody. If you see my comment history, you'll notice this.
Also... on "being happily ignorant to [reality]". Sometimes I wish I was, I'm quite envious of this ability. It must be nice seeing the world without knowing how our senses deceive us (René Descartes), how people around us uses psychology tricks to pull us into a sticky and hidden spiderweb of social compliance (Derren Brown), how humans are their own wolves (Hobbes), and so on.
But here's the catch: "Not seeing" and/or "not knowing" doesn't imply "not happening". You don't see your own bodily cells, yet there are countless cells of yours undergoing apoptosis right now as part of natural biology. Reality doesn't give a nought if we're unaware of it, it happens nonetheless!
An ostrich can bury its head under the sand the deepest it can, maybe deeper than Mariana Trench, but the rain still falls over it as soon as it starts raining just because "physics" (force of gravity).
And I can't help but see the storm approaching at the horizon, and it doesn't look good: from climate change to ever-increasing power grip of Big Techs (to the extent that they now got thousands of those funny chunks of metal flying above our heads everywhere around this globe), all the way to a blatant repetition of the same errors, rehearsing history over and over again, partly due to this exact mentality of "happily ignoring" the surrounding obvieties, so the only thing that we end up learning from history books is that we can't learn from history books. Yep, ignorance is a bliss!
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The second a human is brought to this world, they got "duties" imposed unto them. Duties to solve problems they never asked, such as their own survival.
While they're still a kid, if lucky enough, they'll be sustained by those who are parenting them. As soon as they inevitably get to their adulthood, they'll begin to be on their own.
So, supposing they want to eat (after all, we all know how "optional" is for living beings to eat, a comfort luxury of sorts), they'll be required to "purchase" the food, and to achieve this endeavour, they'll be required to get what humans call as "money". To get this "money", they'll be required to serve someone else, but they'll need to "apply" for serving. They'll be required to lie while they apply (if asked "Why do you want to work here?", answering the obvious "so I can buy food and eat so I don't die of starvation" is a no-no). If they get "blessed" with a job, they'll need to continue lying, and if they lie as expected, they'll afford to get some of the said "money".
So now they can finally eat food, right? Not so fast: they'll need to pay the rent, they'll need to pay the government, they'll need to pay the corporations (utility bills, internet, etc, because they need those things in order to continue having a job as electricity runs their internet which allows them to use the "money" they were "blessed" with), and only then they can go to a store and hopefully find food to buy with the remaining money (not before paying for getting to the store and paying to pay).
No, they can't simply hunt-gather like all the other gazillion species in the surface of this Pale Blue Dot: hominids are godlike, we're not animals, we sent rockets to the space and we invented subscription-based food! So they must "buy" food and "pay" for shelter, they must "belong to" and "serve", and they must do whatever the society, government and corporations requires them to do.
And they'll be shrugged off whenever they dare to complain about serfdom: "everyone does this".
They can't leave, they can't opt-out. They'll be stuck here until Lady Scythebearer inevitably comes, which is often a moment of agony that could've been avoided but it wasn't by those who decided to pull them into existence. They'll also have similar agony (mourning) as they watch people around them being reaped as well, fearing Her while the society around them exploits their fear, preprogrammed as the deepest of instincts, to keep them serving society, or else... 💀
All this to achieve what, exactly? Human legacy, which will evaporate as soon as the Earth gets engulfed by its own star? Well, maybe humans can prevent Red Giant Sol someday, and with enough human serfdom, Big Freeze can also be prevented so humans can perpetuate their Kafkaesque system.
So yeah, you're right: it's really gross to keep someone from having to endure the suffering from a non-consented existence. More cogs to the machine!
@Hirom@beehaw.org @Korkki@lemmy.ml
Problem is when government apps are required to do things such as income tax return, car license renewal, even to receive updates on medical appointments for public healthcare.
Brazil is such an example: everything have been increasingly reliant on gov.br (official Brazilian state portal) app, which refuses to work on the slightest phone settings modification, such as having developer mode on, having an unlocked bootloader and, by extension, having something other than rawdoggy Android or iOS.
While there is a website, it has since recently been asking for TFA through the app (which does facial recognition), so website-only is a no deal anymore.
One can do things offline, but services have been increasingly pivoting to digital since the COVID-19 pandemics. Income tax return is already done through online means: for now, it offers a Linux software, but I can feel it asking for TFA through Android-or-iOS app soon.
One can choose not to use government services altogether, until the government decides to block one's CPF (taxpayer id) due to the lack of income tax return paperwork, unpaid electoral fines for not voting (because the voter is required to keep their info updated whenever they move, not doing so can lead to not being able to vote), among other situations that require using gov (and/or banking) services.
I've been daring to do this, nevertheless: been increasingly ditching apps, closing accounts, even if I get unable to pay for things because everything around here is increasingly pivoting to Pix (Brazilian instant payment system which requires a banking app and can't be done through a computer browser). I don't care if my ID gets blocked eventually, I'm not taking any piece of paper or bits of oscillating electricity with me when I happen to leave this existence anyways (which I hope to be really soon because I'm done with this Kafkaesque world).
@brachypelmide@lemmy.zip @OneSpectra@lemmy.world
You already see chunks of the world disappearing, it's called "fog" or "haze". 😆
As I didn't see any mentions of it among the other replies, I must mention: WTFPL, or, better yet (for liability matters), WTFNMFPL. While I've been using it (the latter one) for software projects, I don't see why not for OSH as well.
WTFNMFPL stands for "Do What The (censored) You Want To But It's Not My Fault Public License" and it's a fork from WTFPL ("Do What The (censored) You Want Public License") to solve the WTFPL's loophole where the developer could be blamed for anything as part of the "do what you want" extremely permissive premise.
It's not that much different from other very permissive licenses (such as MIT0, which is practically a non-swearing WTFNMFPL), but it carries the bold and casual language which can bring some personality for otherwise cold and highly-formal Agent Smith-esque projects.
Sometimes a project isn't just about the software/hardware but the developer's unique personality as well. Back in 90s/00s, we used to have projects with Easter eggs (I still have the habit of opening every "About" dialog window from software and apps, then clicking/tapping several times over the logo, expecting something funny to happen), atypical (but purposeful) quirks, some code golfing here and there (devs used to do code golfing so the software could fit a floppy disk, and this is how we ended up having many algorithms that are still used nowadays)...
And this license kind of brings this spirit due to its taboo-shattering language. The project becomes more friendly and far detached from corporate products. It gets imbued with the tinkering spirit that drives the open source. Well, at least it's how I perceive it.
The license in details: https://scancode-licensedb.aboutcode.org/wtfnmfpl-1.0.html
When you treat Assembly as a full-fledged, high-level, hot-reload-able language:
I originally wrote this as a reply to another thread, but this one seems better fitting.
I wish billionaires, leaders and all the power-greedy alike, those who dream of Übermensch-esque cheating on Death so to keep exploiting humans and other lifeforms, a nice and inescapable immortality, full of health and vitality!
Sure, let 'em have it, why not?
Let 'em be fully alive while the entire surface of the Earth exceeds 100°C (~210°F) and melts every single AC unit after so much greed led by the fairy tale of Industrial Revolution's infinite growth. Let 'em be fully alive to powerlessly watch as entire oceans boil up and the Earth Venusforms.
Let 'em be fully alive when Sol morphs into a Red Giant, swallowing the Earth together with mansions, artificial isles, yachts, jets, jewelry, costly art and furniture, and other wealthy. Let 'em be fully alive to see as their gold melts with the heat, their money bills start to carbonize and their bodies are somehow immune to it.
Let 'em be fully alive when every cosmic body from Andromeda turn the Milky Way into a chaotic bowling game, as they pointlessly try to deflect from countless debris so not to be spaghettified and flattened by cosmic boulders like petty Looney Tunes characters.
Let 'em be fully alive when the entire Cosmos reach the ultimate fate of either Big Freeze, Big Rip, Big Bounce or Big Crunch. Let them feel as their molecules can't undergo chemical reactions anymore, let them find themselves stuck alive inside amorphous, halted goo. Let 'em feel as their individual atoms split at the subatomic level led by infinite cosmic expansion. Let them be cosmically cornered like tiny scared mice, either by a highly-energetic wall of plasma from the Big Bang of another universe, or by the entire fabric of spacetime continuum as it converges into a singularity point again.
Last but not least, let 'em be fully alive when the almighty Reaper comes and knocks at their biological doors, but since they can't die, they'll be stuck into inescapable and endless "nuisance" from an invisible scythe.
Let 'em wish they could be mortal again, let 'em beg Death Herself to grind their pitiful existences to a halt while She beautifully ignores their cries: "So you chose immortality, dear hominid? How nice is it to feel my utter-sharp scythe poking you without you ending up dying? How nice is to feel my blazingly-cold touch without being consumed spiritually as you got no spirit anymore, Sir Monopoly Monocles?"
Death is too easy of a punishment for 'em: the Dark Scarlet Goddess is too beautiful and lovely with Her sharp yet tender claws and long scythe. Rather, I wish 'em the entirety of cosmic eternity, with all whistles and bells inseparable from an untamed cosmos whose laws they can't change, no matter how much wealthy or military titles they got to themselves, because the cosmos doesn't give a nought about hominid self-awards.
"Live longer as imposter, Speck of stardust!" 🖖
As a Zennial (the microgeneration between Millennials and Gen Z), I already skip meals and ditch my belongings in a frequent basis. It's far from "getting by", though: it's just so I hopefully get to finally retire from my daily, boring job as a "biological vessel operator/manager" sooner 😄
Somehow, this remembers me of Nostr. How much is this different from Nostr? (insofar an user generates their own pair of public and private keys that they use to publish content anywhere within the Nostr ecossystem, at least it's as far as I remember about Nostr, as it's been a long while since I don't use Nostr anymore after it went down the cryptobro road)
The article is excellent and well-written. Just allow me to do an addendum.
The word "world" only appears thrice: one time on "Never mind that for many Americans, basic services are on the same level as impoverished developing-world economies.", another in "Enter the savior or our asset-bubble-dependent elites: AI. AI is going to change the world", and a 3rd occurrence within a book's title "Will You Be Richer or Poorer?: Profit, Power and AI in a Traumatized World".
No mention of Europe, Africa, Asia, Oceania. No mention of LatAm nor "America" as in this big tripartite continent.
It's as if it was an isolated US phenomenon, and it's something that annoys me as a Brazilian, because it always looks like USian problems will stay within the USian borders, when, in reality, it doesn't.
Technology, as far as it goes, has a broad, global scope, with global implications and effects that goes beyond USian borders. And the USA exerts an worrisome control over tech, partly because the Internet was born from an USian military project (ARPANET) and it's still controlled by USian organizations.
Those are ICANN and IANA, both of which have the almost-divine power of "blessing" other countries with fundamental things for Internet: they can choose which countries can have a ccTLD and give 'em DNS zone authority, and even if a country chooses not to use DNS domains, ICANN have the power to assign, or not, entire blocks of IP addresses.
Then, USian social platforms such as Facebook exert enormous influence over entire countries and their politics, including (but not limited to) Brazil.
USA also exerts influence on hardware, with both Intel, AMD and Qualcomm being US-based corporations (even though their factories happen to be somewhere else).
Finally, there's AI and how it's being entrenched into many fields and infrastructures. It was an USian organization (OpenAI) the one to unleashed LLMs into the mainstream.
It's USA the one that's fomenting the so-called "AI race", with other countries pursuing this race. Not the international, scientific institutions or academia, not NGOs, not something focused on the Planet Earth as a whole, just countries pursuing their own agendas while indirectly fulfilling the USian agenda of "AI-everywhere-no-matter-the-costs".
While AI will likely "stay", the economic (and social) bubble will burst, but it's not just US that will feel the consequences of this burst. Also, economic bubble aside, it's not just the US that is feeling the consequences of AI.
I don't know the blog nor the author, I bet they're USian, hence the US-centric vision.
I mean, not that this is wrong per se, seeing things through the lens of the country where one lives because, after all, it's where the person likely learned about this physical reality, it's where their language were likely learnt. I'm not judging the author, I'm just here to remember that there's a whole world beyond USian borders being affected as well.
In order to transmit/receive data during the night, a different carrier and modulation should be used: owls and a hoot-based Morse code (e.g. "ho-ho-ho-ho hooo-hooo-hooo hooo-hooo-hooo hooo" safely conveys "hoot" through the night skies).
What exactly happened with the "Prompt engineer" position? I remember how it was sold as "the new competitive (sic) skill".
@SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social @Typhoon@lemmy.ca
As a context, I was born Catholic, was atheist for a while, then agnostic, then "unchurched" Protestant (during 2020), then Luciferian, currently a follower of a syncretic left-hand path focused on Lilith as Goddess. Part of this current syncretism involves several religions and belief systems, but I have no specific religion anymore.
Even when I did have a specific religion, I was always curious and somewhat open-minded to other beliefs, even during my Protestant phase, when I had nice and productive conversations with a practitioner of Brazilian Umbanda (even though Christianity see Exus and Pomba-Giras as "demonic": I used to feel some fear about the names, yet I kept myself open to learning about because, deep inside, maybe I always had a leaning to the so-called "forbidden knowledge" as the "demonic" somehow always attracted me).
That said, I tried the quiz out of curiosity, and i got 12 out of 15 questions correctly.
But some of the correct answers seem so oversimplified.
For example: "Which of the following best describes the Christian doctrine of the Trinity?". Turns out that it depends on which Christian branch we're talking. There's nontrinitarianism, there are specific denominations (e.g. JW) who don't see Jesus as "God the Son". Also, there's Filioque among Orthodox Catholicism, something that ended up splitting Catholicism (the Great Schism). So the answer to such a question isn't straighforward.
Similarly, "Which of these religious groups traditionally teaches that salvation comes through faith alone?" also depends on the denomination. Some Protestant branches, such as Calvinism, believe salvation doesn't come through faith but, rather, God's Will and predestination (they often refer to the biblical verse that goes something within the lines "Before you were in the womb, I knew you"). Some Protestant branches believe that salvation comes from "church's work". Again, no straightforward answer for such a question.
The questions I got wrong were:
- "Which of the following best describes Catholic teaching about the bread and wine used for Communion? The bread and wine": Here, my esoteric perspective and my focus on symbolic archetypes talked louder.- "On which day of the week does the Jewish Sabbath begin?": here, my "literal" side talked louder.- "Which of these religious groups traditionally teaches that salvation comes through faith alone?": I ended up picking "not sure" due to what I explained above.
So the quiz is not complete insofar it oversimplifies many things. Also, considering that the quiz covers Abrahamic religions alongside Hinduism and Sikhism, I missed questions about other religions and spiritual perspectives as well, such as Wicca, Neo-Hellenism, Luciferianism, Thelema, Hermeticism... Even Gnosticism, which shares some ties with Christianity, as well as Orthodox Catholicism which is a direct branch of Christianity, aren't covered by this quiz.
@arlon@social.harpia.red @batepapo@lemmy.eco.br
Como o @helioloureiroBR@mastodon.social disse, não é propaganda inerente ao protocolo RCS, mas sim o uso do formato de rich chat como veículo de spam pela própria operadora. Spam ocorre via SMS constantemente há muito tempo, mas o SMS não suporta imagens como o MMS e o RCS.
Minha hipótese para a frequência de spam via RCS ser maior que no MMS é que o MMS "usa dados" da própria operadora, enquanto o RCS pode funcionar por uma conexão banda-larga, livrando a infra da operadora móvel já que a tendência é a pessoa estar por Wi-Fi. Posso estar enganado, mas até hoje recebi quase nenhuma mensagem de spam via MMS, só por SMS e, desde o advento do RCS, por RCS.
De qualquer forma, o fato de o RCS estar sendo usado como veículo para spam tem um efeito negativo sobre a reputação do próprio protocolo, pois na falta de um opt-out adequado por parte das operadoras, juntamente com a insistência das mesmas em veicular anúncios, a desativação da funcionalidade acaba sendo a alternativa mais prática para parar de receber importunações, similar a como muita gente acaba usando de forma permanente o "modo não perturbe" do Android, uma vez que ligações telefônicas passaram a ser sinônimo de golpes e telemarketing abusivo (ainda que ligações telefônicas são igualmente um protocolo, ou melhor dizendo, um conjunto de protocolos).
Is "a chimera mascot hybrid between a goat and an owl" a valid answer for the question's constraint of "an animal"? I could even imagine a plot:
"(Luci appears holding a book, an apple and wearing glasses, inside an improvised classroom at the corner of a cemetery)Greetings, little earthlings! It's Professor Luci, your friendly teacher from a whole other world!
(Plays intro where Luci gleefully jumps and wanders through a cemetery while a modified and funnier version of "Masked Ball" song plays, then Luci opens wide black wings and starts flying upwards until disappearing from view for a couple of seconds, then Luci suddenly appears climbing from an open grave and starts walking cluelessly until stumbling and falling back into the grave in a funny manner)
Today we're learning a funny play: we're going to sing numbers!
On the nineteenth night, the Moon is bright,Can't you wait for the twenty-one?Crows are soaring, thirteen are cawing,Unknown to heavens, the thirteen ravensLet the fifteenth crow caw, too!Tell the fourteenth to join us, too!
(A crow mascot appears and perches above Luci's goat horns) Hi, little friend! I can talk just like you! Be not afraid! We crows are smart and we can play, too!"
@sylver_dragon@lemmy.world @nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de
Before I was born, there's this... nothingness. No fleeting happiness, but also no suffering. There was no pain, no angst, nothing but the nothingness. Then I was pulled, without the ability to choose positively or negatively... now the blame is on me: "you really feel that existence is that horrible, there’s a solution for that at your nearest tall bridge".
Why should a person have to go through the painful to opt-out, risking failure? Yes, because suicide attempts aren't guaranteed to lead to suicide, in fact, such attempts often leads to failure and, in many cases, to irreparable damage without death. One risks having to endure more pain.
Why? Because, for example, self-chosen euthanasia is still a matter of taboo, a forbidden subject to be talked about (or highly bureaucratic for someone to achieve without somehow "proving" they got no "depression" while DSM considers "deathwish" as a textbook depressive symptom) , because all the BS that people keep parroting such as "life is sacred".
It's worth mentioning how coping mechanisms to escape this nightmare are getting increasingly forbidden by christofascism (e.g. natural drugs never getting to be decriminalized, and being recriminalized in many countries), because being born to a dystopian world isn't enough, people need to "grow up" on it and embrace being a cog in the machine while fully aware and focused on being such a cog.
I lost count on how many times I tried to end my own existence, and how many times I failed to do so because of this thing called "survival instincts" that restrain me from proceeding to being kissed by Lady Scythebearer.
So far, all my attempts failed on myself because my vessel conflicts with my own will because, just like it's impossible to choose whether to be born or not, it's also impossible to choose whether to possess instincts or not.
So, no, it's not as easy as "jumping a bridge", and you know it. Challenging others to commit suicide is a fallacy (the strawman fallacy, to be exact, because it plays with the very mechanism behind one's pain) just like gaslighting optimism ("Things gonna be alright", "It's just a phase", "You'll get through it") is also fallacious.
Were/Are David Benatar, Philipp Mainländer, among other thinkers who extensively wrote about this subject, eternal "teenagers"? Are the scientists who've been tirelessly reporting on how human activity is endangering all lifeforms, and/or those who reported about microplastics everywhere, and/or those who tried to report about the consequences of Industrial Revolution, driven by "teenager angst"?