Why do we care? It's great that they're doing more stupid stuff.But this reads like it's trying to convince Russians not to do this because it actually works. Maybe it's a double psych op.
Ina democracy you are responsible for your vote. If there are two choices and you don't pick the one that is even 0.1% better you are helping the worse one, and that is your fault. The repercussions are on you. It's simple logic. There's no benifit is not voting for the better option. You don't have to vote for a candidate- you can vote against the other. You don't help anything by not voting.
Pre 2024, it wouldn't be accurate at all to call Israel as a whole genocidal. Yes there were right wing politicians and fringe groups saying horrible things, and actions in Gaza an wb were terrible. But not genocide. So democrats didn't have the chance to support genocidal Israel.But this is all immaterial. The Democrats are clearly less bad than the trump for the people of Palestine, and on every other issue. So by not voting for them you effectively are making things worse for the people of Palestine. If you think you're helping the long game, whatever. But understand that you are killing more Palestinians right now.
The democrats weak statements would have been better than trump's encouragement of genocide. They might have pushed back more as Ireal got worse and worse, and sentiment changed in the U.S. There are only two possibilities in U.S. elections, if you don't pick the better one, you are responsible when the worse one wins. If the democrats won with a stable base, they could afford to move further left. They have to court the center right because there are too many idiotic 'left' minded Americans who don't understand simple logic.
So on principle you want republicans to win and cause more deaths in Gaza, because democrats aren't perfect. That's fine, but don't say you're against genicide and then vote for more genocide. Take responsibility for all the deaths you cause.
Absolutely. But diplomacy starts with words and it sometimes works. We don't know what would have happened next if trump hadn't fucked everything ten times over. We know trump actively encouraged the genocide, so it's a significant difference.
I haven't seen anything like the current actions before in Israel. Previous to the Oct attack response, the only significant calls for genocide in the area came from Muslims. Israel treated people in Gaza terribly, and illegally kept expanding their settlements. But it was nothing like any conventional use of the word 'genocide' would be. Things changes throughout '24, but it was a slow transition and with all the lies on both sides, it wasn't clear until the end of December how much Isreal had gone off the deep end. And then trump came into power and encouraged them and it got significantly worse. So I'm not sure where your 'years of excuses' comes from because it doesn't fit the actual timeline.
Obviously, you can't know that, so you are just making things up to fit your world view. But whatever, if you're happy with the destruction trump allowed on Gaza, I can't help you. Good luck.
No they didn't. They still supported Israel, but they were making statements about tempering Israel's approach. As Israel got worse and worse under trump's encouragement, I'm pretty sure a democrat (or anyone sane) would have pushed back a lot more on Israel. Not enough, probably. But better is better.
When we're talking science, if you have a certain flavour of adhd which makes you less intelligent, it still makes you less intelligent. Nothing to be ashamed of, and of course the ways they define and test for intelligence are often questionable. But worrying about offending people or making test score equitable goes against the principles of objective science.
Haven't really seen that. Seems to be some not wanting all Israelis to be killed level of support. But little support of Israeli military actions in Gaza, wb, or elsewhere.
Wrong. I never would justify genocide. I agree 100% that Isreal has escalated this way beyond anything that could be justified as self defense. And they are 100% responsible for their actions. That doesn't change the fact that Hamas triggered it and gave them cover to start by committing the Oct attacks, which, while pale in comparison to Israel's subsequent violence against the people of Gaza, were also reprehensible.More important to this discussion is the timeline. When Biden was in a position to support Israel, Israel was nominally still targeting Hamas resources, albeit with not enough care about civilian casualties. Hamas was still firing many rockets daily at Israel which was using very expensive defense tech to mostly thwart. Once Biden was a lame duck, and trump signaled encouragement for Isreal to go full genocidal, things got a lot worse. We don't know what Harris would have done, or how Isreal would have responded to a democrat win, but it simply couldn't have been worse than trump. And probably considerably less terrible.
I do, mostly because he's so random, self centered and easily manipulated. Biden was still stuck in the 'Isreal has a right to defend itself' mode, which was true; but I do believe Biden or Harris would have pushed back significantly more than trump did when Israel kept escalating. Trump's team never pushed back at all; trump openly fantasized about clearing out Gaza and putting up trump casinos ffs.And yes, Hamas brought all that shit down on the people of Gaza. Yes Israel took advantage of it and went way overboard, and maybe they would have found some other excuse to do it anyway. But Hamas started this escalation.
Why do we care? It's great that they're doing more stupid stuff.But this reads like it's trying to convince Russians not to do this because it actually works. Maybe it's a double psych op.