It is time that we push the Democratic Party left.

In light of the recent election, it’s clear that the Democratic Party needs a significant leftward shift to better address the needs and concerns of the American people. The party’s centrist approach is increasingly out of touch, limiting its ability to appeal to a broader base and especially to young voters, who are looking for bold and transformative policies. The fact that young men became a substantial part of the conservative voting bloc should be a wake-up call—it’s essential that the Democratic Party broadens its appeal by offering real solutions that resonate with this demographic.

Furthermore, one major missed opportunity was the decision to forgo primaries, which could have brought new energy and ideas to the ticket. Joe Biden’s choice to run for a second term, despite earlier implications of a one-term presidency, may have ultimately contributed to the loss by undermining trust in his promises. Had the party explored alternative candidates in a primary process, the outcome could have been vastly different. It is now imperative for the Working Families Party and the Progressive Caucus to push for a stronger, unapologetically progressive agenda within the Democratic Party. The time for centrist compromises has passed, as evidenced by setbacks dating back to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 loss, the persistently low approval ratings for Biden since 2022, and Kamala Harris’s recent campaign, which left many progressives feeling alienated. To regain momentum and genuinely connect with the electorate, a clear departure from moderate politics is essential.

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This has been the rallying call from progressives for decades, they keep sliding right. At what point do we have to consider that entryism into the Dems just doesn't work? The party structure is designed to entrench establishment figures that are great at fundraising from wealthy Capitalists.
- DNC komissars sold out to the oligarchs long time ago... 2016 and 2020 they cucked out Bernie.
  They are not getting votes out of me until Bernie type is on the ticket... nothing else. I can vote 3p for rest of myself it aint like voting maters under current regime where some no name clowns pick your a candidated sanctioned by oligarchs...
  
  Correct, your sentiment is a common one. Marxism is regularly vindicated because it remains correct, try as progressives might to avoid its conclusions that revolution is necessary.

No. Do a Bernie.
An independent can't win the presidency but independents absolutely can become state senators, state house reps or federal senators.
If you're a politician who manages to win your local democratic primary run as an independent with no one with the (D) label... if no one is wearing the label you'll outperform wearing it yourself.
You can affix yourself to a more niche party like Democratic Socialists of America or the Working Families Party but keep that (I).
- 2016, 2020, 2024...
  THEY WILL NEVER DO BERNIE GET A FUCKING HINT
  That's the regime whore that could have taken voters from Trump but no DNC komissars shut it down EVERY SINGLE TIME
  
  Let me clarify - don't try and do a Bernie into the Whitehouse - you're up against an immense amount of money... but do try and do a Bernie into other positions.

The DNC can't be reformed. They need to wholesale clean house and morph into something else, or they're not even contenders.
The argument could be made that they haven't been contenders for at least 12 years. The Party heads LIKE this dynamic; it makes them oodles of cash.

This was tried in 1968. It failed, and the Democratic Party instituted superdelegates to prevent it from ever having a chance at being successful again. You can't vote your way out of capitalism.

I'll only believe a leftist could win an election for president AFTER a leftist wins an election for governor.
- Was Senator good enough or nah?
  
  Why? Are leftists not capable of winning governorships too?
- not even sanders who is pretty tame as far as leftism go is sabotaged and not allowed to even compete.
  the system itself is broken.
- Yes, start locally and regionally then go up to nationally. This is the way.
- Does FDR count?
  
  If FDR counts then so does Biden

It was time back in 2016 with Bernie, yet here we are now.

ITT: folks who still think there will be free and fair elections in the US ever again
- It's cute that they think the Dems in Congress won't be systematically exterminated within 4 years. Just adorable.
  
  My sole remaining consolation in life is that they'll probably get rounded up before me.

The funnny thing about elections is that politicians do the things people vote for. Literally no one gives a shit about people who don't vote. Everyone who sat out and couldn't even be arsed to vote third party just helped move the country to the right. Everyone who sits at home during primaries let's the rest of the country have its way.
Democrats don't implement the things that you want because you don't vote and therefore you don't matter. Republicans don't implement the things you that want because you don't vote and therefore you don't matter.
"Waah, waah, there's only two parties." More than half the country doesn't vote. That's enough to elect a third party candidate. Instead millions of idiots sat at home complaining that they can't get everything they want today, and moving the needle is too much work.
- Politicians do the things people ~~vote~~ donate for.
  After that, they say things they think the people want to hear.
  And blameing the public over not voting for somone they don't want to vote for, seems backwards. Politicians aren't entitled to any votes. They need to earn it.
  
  What horseshit. They didn't write in any candidate, like there was no one in the whole world they could think of that they want as president.
  Do you think there's one ballot in this whole country that has a single question on it - like there was nothing out there worth voting on other than the presidential race?
  Saying there's nothing to vote for is an excuse to be lazy. If you couldn't find one single thing on your ballot to vote for in this election, then you're never going to vote, for any reason. Everyone knows it, and therefore no one cares what nonvoters say. So sit here and do what you do best, blow hard on the Internet. You can post your little commets, that no one will read or care about, because at the end of the day they know no matter what they do or say, you won't go to the polls to stop them.
- What bugs me about this election is that turnout of GOP and independent voters surpassed Dem turnout.
  This makes me wonder if a bunch of former Dems switched parties between 2020 and now. Which would suggest that voters themselves are swinging rightward.
  Consider that he's gained in previously blue strongholds, like in Beverly Hills as per https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-07/trump-victory-by-the-numbers/104573034 and even in Brooklyn as per https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/06/trump-voter-gains-new-york-00188078
  To me, this seems to justify the Dems rightward swing - they are following the voters. No wonder Harris campaigned with Liz Cheney at her side.
  But, it also makes me feel kinda sick inside. If the country as a whole is swinging rightward, that makes me wonder where I fit in - or even if there is any room at all with someone with my beliefs.
  
  To me, this seems to justify the Dems rightward swing - they are following the voters. No wonder Harris campaigned with Liz Cheney at her side.
  What a ridiculous takeaway. They moved right and lost, but somehow this shows that moving right was the correct decision? That's nonsense, it shows the exact opposite.
  The Cheneys do not represent any substantial constituency. Virtually nobody likes them, right or left. Kamala went chasing after the mythical "moderate republican swing voter," and they told her go fuck yourself the way they always do, and in the meantime she neglected her actual base which meant less enthusiasm and mobilization.
  The democrats have tried this shit over and over. The people who like right-wing politics already have a party catering to them that they're happy with. How many times does this strategy have to result in abject failure before you start to question it?
  
  Could be that they were shut out of the primary process, and wouldn't have chosen Harris.
  
  I am registered unaffiliated because I'm left of our Democratic party, not right of it. I can't be the only one. So some of those independents are progressive.
  
  Yeah, I agree. People think of parties as these static things, but parties are made of people, and the people in the parties change all the time. Republicans freed the slaves and gave women the right to vote. Those aren't the people in the party today.
  The Democratic party is going to take on the former GOP people. It won't be a huge shift, but it will shift. The people that voted for people like Cheney are going to become Democrats. The people that were in the Democratic party are going to get pushed to the edges. Because no one votes for them. These petulent children complain that the candidates are not perfect, and didn't "earn it", and "if they're not perfect, then I'm just not going to play the game at all".
  It's a lot of talk, and zero action with these people: all excuses - money influences politicians, we don't have a choice.... Two of the questions on my ballot were initiatives, just straight up votes that would directly change how the government is run here - no politicians, no money trail, you just vote on it and the law changes. It's utter bullshit pretending this is a waste of time, and it's everyone else's fault. They sound like a bunch of little piss babies crying in their milk.

It's time the democrats have a primary where the winner isn't preordained. Even with Obama, Hillary was "preordained" the winner in 2008, only to have everyone be surprised that an electable candidate got nominated. Same thing happened with Bill Clinton in '92, where the "preordained" candidate dropped out (ironically due to an affair) and Bill Clinton took his place. Come to think of it, that is how Obama got his senate seat. Someone cheated on 7 of 9 and suddenly Illinois has a black senator.
Anyways, just let us vote.

Sounds good.. First thing to do is make sure everyone votes in every primary and election.
No one GAF what you think unless you vote.
But somehow people think sitting out a vote for the 30th time in a row means the Democrats will finally listen to them...

It is time to open your eyes to the reality and stop doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
The democrats aren't there to serve you. They are there to provide an illusion of choice and to help shift the Overton window to the right.
You will never push them to the left because being on the left is antithetical to their purpose and existence.
If this election hasn't woken you up, what the fuck will?
- What other choice is there? Be realistic.
  We are unfortunately a two-party state, a third party has no chance.
  
  Lol, I need to be realistic? You've got a freshly elected open and proud fascist as president, and an "opposition" that did nothing to stop him since they both serve the same people (hint: it isn't you), and you still look at the two party system as if it's some immovable paragon of humane society (when in reality it's a human made construct designed by those in power to maintain it, and can and should be torn down), and I need to be realistic??? 😂🤯
  Here, feel free to challenge your bias and take your own advice, though I won't be holding my breath:
  https://itsgoingdown.org/dont-doom-scroll-organize-how-to-get-active-in-the-current-terrain/
  https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-are-you-an-anarchist-the-answer-may-surprise-you
  https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works
  https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-full
  https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-mutual-aid-a-factor-of-evolution

It's time we vote for the independent or green party. We had 3 elections with the DNC making terrible decisions.
- Voting third party will not bring about necessary change. The DNC can't be moved left, but will absolutely use systemic advantage against leftist parties, like how they kicked PSL off the ballots of several states. We need to organize and pressure the system itself from outside the domains of electoralism.
  
  Thats because people don't realize there are more than 2 choices
- Get rid of Jill Stein and get someone who isn't interested in being a foreign asset, then we can talk.
- Four years of fascism won't be enough to get Dems to vote Green, sadly.

The MSNBC comments that DNC needs to be more pro genocide as path to victory is correct for the DNC. Dems lost because they were less committed to Netanyahu agenda than Trump/GOP. All of the money and oligarchs went to Trump/GOP as a result. Where money and media determines winners, DNC has to play the Zionist supremacist game. Biden/Harris praising Trump's victory in preserving the CIA's myth of democracy over the rule of law and corruption is DNC supporting Trump's stronger support for zionist supremacist genocide.
You can't push DNC left if it blocks their primary zionist supremacist fundraising objectives. DNC can only pander to the left. There are no oligarchs who will not align with zionist supremacism either, because its a fight they lose.
A difference between left and pure centrism is a left fantasy of labour, feminist/queer, minority race supremacy in that order.
UBI is a centrist policy that eliminates poverty without creating an empire/heroes to champion the poor. It makes the rich richer without empowering oligarchy, in that the labour market becomes automatically fair when people have the power to say no, but abundance is encouraged because the rich hiring to provide abundance is needed to make sure the poor's money trickles back up to them.
Nationalizing the most evil lobbyist industries and delegitimizing zionist/neocon political candidates is path to victory, but won't come from DNC.
Whether left or center, DNC is not a solution. Support another party and abandon DNC. Must start now, not summer 2028.

Its already the bad version of woke...
- First off, no. White men are still in everything and everyone in Hollywood is still hot, stop being a crybaby because some minorities are in your movies and games now. They're still not the majority at all, and it's nice to see some other representation for a change.
  Second, woke doesn't matter. If they offer actual left economic policies, cultural clashes fall by the wayside. The only reason people fight about dumb cultural stuff like that is that they don't believe either party will help them materially. And yet that's basically the only reason Trump won. Everyone I know said they voted for him because of the economy, not once did anyone I hear mention that he'll fix "woke", whatever that means.
  
  who gives a fuck about what pedos are doing hollycreeps?
  jfc, y'all need get your priorities straight.
  People care about being able to afford basics first and foremost...
  
  their woke does is nothing besides virtue signaling.
  And also they don't want a woman as president.

The DNC is a zionist fundraising organization. Usually Zionism plays both Republicrat sides, but its time to finish the job on genocide, and DNC will get out of the way. The reason to look at DNC for hope is that elections take massive amounts of money.
Without money, there is still a winning strategy:
Zionism is a hate group, and all political office holders who pledge loyalty to Israel will be diqualified from office, and their citizenship reviewed. Their donors will be punished.
UBI is disempowerment of Empire and empowerment of individuals. Government's 3 functions are war, survivability and prosperity. UBI defunds war, guarantees survivability, and booms prosperity without counting on a hero's promises to improve your life.
Nationalizing the evil that lobbies and disinforms people: Oil, weapons, media, is social funding that replaces some tax revenue.
The nexus between zionism and all other oligarchy ensures the absolute maximalism of oligarchy with the US empire. As the US collapses, don't expect the banksters, oligarchs, Israel or other wars to be the ones that are diminished, but also don't look at DNC to be any different. Those groups fund the DNC too. The DNC selected President/VP just congratulated our new fascist overlord, and are planning to dismiss all charges against him, including the treason ones, as if they were just political witch hunts all along. DNC will then complain and send you fundraising emails for mid terms. Zionist organizations are not a hope for democracy.

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