The Impact of Corporate Trolls on Reddit: A Growing Problem



This account is being kept for the posterity, but it won't see further activity past February.
If you want to contact me, I'm at /u/[email protected]
SNOOcalypse is closing down.
Ladies, gentlemen, and cherished non-binary folks: it has been a serious joy to moderate this community for you.
Based on the general input from an earlier thread, I'm closing this community down; I apologise for rushing this decision but it's for the best.
I'll also use the opportunity to publicly release the modlog of this community, showing at least which actions were taken by myself:

I can't show the other usernames because this would be allegedly "doxxing".
I'm doing so because I believe that transparency is essential to nurture a healthy and friendly community. I also encourage people here to check the mod logs of other lemmy.ml communities.
Deciding the fate of c/snoocalypse - tell me what you think!
I wish to stop being a moderator in lemmy.ml. However, I don't know what to do with this community; the last time I asked for new mods nobody showed interest. So I'd like the help of other members of the community to decide it.
Here are a few options:
- Migrate this community. Frankly I don't care about Reddit nowadays, but I'm still willing to mod a comm about it in another instance. So if users tell me "migrate SNOOcalypse to [instance]!", I'll seriously consider it.
- Recruiting new mods. If you wish to be a mod, please tell me so in this thread. I'll check if you'd be a good mod, recruit you, step down myself, and you're free to moderate it as you wish.
- Closing down this comm. There are a few other comms about Reddit across the Lemmy/Kbinverse, so we'd use those instead. If neither of the alternatives above is viable/feasible, this is likely what's going to happen.
- Something else. Then please do tell me. As long as it doesn't boil down to "negligently leave this comm
Moving this community to [email protected]
UPDATE, 2024/JAN/17: this address has been locked so mods only can post. Use the new one.
This comm is being moved to [email protected] (Lemmy link) or /m/[email protected] (Kbin link). Same old topic, same old rules, same old mod. Different instance, focused on sciences. That's it.
A few additional points:
- Since the new instance only defederates other two instances, access shouldn't be a concern.
- I'll keep modding both addresses concurrently, until 19/February/2024 (August Schleicher's birthday), to give people enough time to migrate. In the meantime you can post in either but I'd like to ask users to use the [email protected] address instead.
If you believe that it's worth keeping [email protected] as a separated community, and wishes to moderate it, please say so in this thread. Or wait until the migration is over and ask lemmy.ml admins, whichever you prefer.

Damn, that's sad. Thank you for the info.

Worst hypothesis they just need to mess around a bit. For example I don't think that queerasfu.ck
would be registered.

They could get a .ck domain instead and move to queer.as.fu.ck, no?

It's hard for Google to claim that they're focusing resources (e.g. dev time), given the list of features being removed. As one of the HN comments said, quite a few of them "seem to fall under the umbrella of "features that actually make the assistant an assistant"/connecting the assistant to other apps". In other words, integration - that's core functionality for an assistant and they likely know it.

Yup. Google consistently gets rid of features or services that it deems unprofitable. And that's fine, really - as long as you don't pretend that you're doing it for the users.
To be fair in modern phones there are some features that if removed would make the user experience better.
I hear ya - for example, the SIM toolkit being able to send you pop-ups (phone providers use that to spam the users).

We’re removing some underutilized features in Google Assistant to focus on delivering the best possible user experience.
Is this the non sequitur used nowadays to explain removal of features? "We're removing it to give you a better experience"??? That's bloody hilarious.
Be honest at least dammit. If you don't want to maintain a feature, because it's against your best interests, say so. Users are not stupid, and should not be implied to be stupid with this idiotic "it's for you lol" discourse.
(I don't even use Botnet Assistant.)

The settlement is right at the border of what would be controlled by the Inca government, two millenniums later. It shows that there's some decent access to the region from the west than you'd be led to believe, with the Andes in the way.
As such, if they find other cities further east, I'm predicting that, culturally speaking, they'll resemble nothing this one; even if they happen to be roughly the same size.
People ate maize and sweet potato, and probably drank "chicha", a type of sweet beer.
"If you don't have chicha, any small thing will do." (reference to a certain song)
Serious now. Potentially yucca too - it grows right next door, and if they got maize from North America then they likely traded for crops.

4chan was always called the asshole of the internet, but it's more like the mouth of an extremely drunk internet ready to vomit on you.

I agree too much with the text to comment anything meaningful about it. So let's see the comments...
One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. [...]
Although I agree with the title, I also don't think the internet is that significantly different from before GPTs 4, 3, or 2. Articles written by interns or Indian virtual assistants about generic topics are pretty much as bad as most AI generated material [...]
Both comments reminded me a blogpost that I wrote more than a year ago, regarding chatGPT-3. It still applies rather well to 2024 LLMs, and it shows what those two tech bros are missing, so I'll copypaste it here.
###The problem with GPT3.
Consider the following two examples.
Example A.
GPT3 bots trained on the arsehole of the internet (Reddit), chatting among themselves:
- LPT: When you’re planning your next vacation, be sure to consider the cost of airfare and hotels. You may not have the money to go on a luxury trip, but at least you won’t have to worry about the economy when you leave! // You're worth it!
- (to #1) This is great advice! I definitely need to start considering the cost of airfare and hotels when planning my next vacation. Thank you for the tips!
- (to #2) I completely agree! When I'm planning my next vacation, my number one priority is to make sure that it's worth the cost. Thanks for the advice!
- (to #2) Keep up the great work!
The grammar is fine, and yet those messages don’t say jack shit.
- #1 - the so-called “life pro tip” is fairly obvious, since people are aware that airfare and hotels cost quite a bit. It is not informing the reader about something potentially missed.
- #1 - “You may not have the money to go on a luxury trip” is extraneous, no matter how you interpret it, as it’s directed towards people who won’t fly and spend time in hotels.
- #1 - How the hell are you expected to worry less or more about the economy, depending on how you plan your vacations?
- #1 - you’re worth… what? The vacations? Not worrying about the economy? Something else?
- #2 - needlessly repeating a huge chunk of #1.
- #3 and #4 - it’s clear that #1 and #2 are different participants, #2 provided nothing worth thanking, and yet it’s still being thanked. Why?
Example B.
Human translation made by someone with not-so-good grasp of the target language.
undefined
Captain: What happen ? Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb. Operator: We get signal. Captain: What ! Operator: Main screen turn on. Captain: It's you !! CATS: How are you gentlemen !! CATS: All your base are belong to us. CATS: You are on the way to destruction.
The grammar is so broken that this excerpt became a meme. And yet you can still retrieve meaning from it:
- Captain, Mechanic and Operator are the crew of a ship
- Captain asks for info
- Someone is trying to kill them with a bomb
- Operator and Mechanic inform Captain on what happens
- CATS sarcastically greets the crew, and provides them info to make them feel hopeless
- Captain expresses distress towards CATS
What’s the difference? It's purpose. In (B) we can give each utterance a purpose, even if the characters are fictional - because they were written by a human being. However, we cannot do the same in (A), because the current AI-generated text does not model that purpose.
And yes, assigning purpose to your utterances is part of the language. Not just what tech bros are able to see, namely: syntax, morphology, and spelling.

To be fair with the above, even considering that he's being disingenuous, his [AFAIK incorrect] claim is not "anime is child porn", it's "that anime instance has child porn".
note how he's trying to transform "is this CSAM?" into a subjective matter. That's rather close to the moving goalposts fallacy.

Even in this thread there’s discussion of a show that blatantly tittilates the audience with underage characters that would absolutely qualify as csam in any other community except in the anime community, for some reason.
Emphasis mine. If what you are saying is indeed correct (is it? dunno), this is a sign that the acronym "CSAM" was completely derailed.
Originally the expression "child sexual abuse material" was coined to avoid implications of consent brought by the word "pornography", and it boils down to "evidence of child sexual abuse". Consent and sexual abuse are legal notions that only apply to real people, not to fictional characters.
In the meantime, at worst the instance in question depicts images of clearly fictional characters in suggestive poses and/or clothing. It does not classify even as pornography, let alone sexual abuse. (Note that not even hentai depicting clearly adult characters is allowed in that instance.)
I don’t care about what the maintainers’ view of the matter is, I make (and sometimes delete) my comments based on my own view of it.
Given that this is a touchy subject, I think that this matter is better handled neither by the maintainers' views nor by our own views, but by 1) legal definitions of governments that might be relevant in the matter, and 2) explicit moral premises.

That's surprisingly accurate, as people here are highlighting (it makes geometrical sense when dealing with complex numbers).
My nephew once asked me this question. The way that I explained it was like this:
- the friend of my friend is my friend; (+1)(+1) = (+1)
- the enemy of my friend is my enemy; (+1)(-1) = (-1)
- the friend of my enemy is my enemy; (-1)(+1) = (-1)
- the enemy of my enemy is my friend; (-1)(-1) = (+1)
It's a different analogy but it makes intuitive sense, even for kids. And it works nice as mnemonic too.

Personal take: suck it up, Somalia; if the population of Somaliland has effective control of the region, and desires it to be independent, then there isn't much that you could (or should) do. And from that, if both Somaliland and Ethiopia reach an amicable agreement over the ports, so be it.
Also, let us drop all that babble about territorial integrity. Even if you believe in this sort of political superstition, Somalia's territorial integrity went kaboom in 1991.

Stating obvious shit like it was some hidden piece of wisdom? Inability to handle subtleties like "lying" vs. "saying an incorrect statement"? Voting system? People repeating the same shit over and over, without reading the others' comments?
EDIT: I'm highlighting that this YT comment section shows a lot of things to hate in Reddit. In some aspects they're behaving exactly like redditors; in some they're actually doing it better, even if YT is a cesspool of idiocy.

Yeah, but the admins, as the thread has shown, are mainly reining in violations of sitewide policy. Instance rules are mainly the job of mods.
So the admins are reining in violations of lemmy.ml-wide policy... while lemmy.ml rules are mainly the job of the mods??? Congratulations, that's the dumbest thing that I've read today.
Couple the above with the backpedalling (from "This is what mods are for." to "Instance rules are mainly the job of mods."; emphasis on "mainly") - a sleight of hand, while lying that I was the one using a sleight of hand - and I'm led to the conclusion that you have nothing meaningful to add to this discussion, and can be safely ignored as dead weight and noise.
Unlike the above, does anyone here have any decent counter-argument against "migrating this comm to that other instance would be sensible"?

Want some cuteness overload? Even big felines love cardboard boxes!

I've seen even people in their 40s using them. I don't think that it's a big deal, or that it's too late for that.

Calcium chloride exists, it's CaCl₂. You need two chloride anions for each calcium cation. [see note]
It's safe to eat as long as food grade. In fact it's used in cheesemaking. It's salty and bitter. It's also used to dehydrate stuff in laboratory, since it absorbs water like there's no tomorrow.
It doesn't behave like metallic calcium at all. Just like sodium chloride (aka table salt) doesn't behave like metallic sodium (warning: loud noise).
Note: technically CaCl (one chlorine) exists, as a diatomic molecule. Rarely found in stars, you won't find it in Earth.

Phylogenetic results do not support Picrodontidae within Euarchonta and instead support Picrodontidae as the sister taxon to the apatemyid L. kayi [Labidolemur kayi]
So the discovery kicks them to an extinct order, Apatotheria. This means that they'd be further from us primates than treeshrews and colugos are.

New Study: At Least 15% of All Reddit Content is Corporate Trolls Trying to Manipulate Public Opinion
If you're paywalled, check this archive link.
What the article calls "corporate trolls" is simply astroturfing. It became rampant in Reddit; as the walled garden was unwalled, more of the organic grass has been replaced.

Reddit-like aspects of Lemmy that make no sense in a federation.
Disclaimer: I like the Fediverse, Lemmy, and the concept of federation, I've been here for two years, and I feel grateful towards people working on this platform - devs and admins and mods and everyone else. As such, I hope that what I'm voicing is interpreted as constructive criticism and food for discussion.
TL;DR: I'll list some issues with Lemmy, how they relate to Reddit, and a few proposals on what should be done to address them.
The issues
When you're posting/commenting you're supposed to acknowledge and follow up to three independent sets of rules: of the comm, of the comm's instance, and of your instance. This is a burden for good users, and yet another excuse for bad users to ignore the rules.
There are also up to three groups of rule enforcers, in any situation: two admin teams and a mod team. If any of those goes rogue (greedy pigboy or powerjanny style), you got a problem.
Usually the ones enforcing the rules - the mods - are the group that, by design, lacks
Reddit might once again be flirting with an IPO

The San Francisco-based company, co-founded by Steve Huffman, Aaron Swartz and Alexis Ohanian in 2005, could go public as early as Q1.

IPO = Initial Public Offering, where shareholders offer to sell their shares to the public, shifting a company from a "private company" (it belongs to me, you, and that guy) to a "public company" (it belongs to anyone who pays enough for the shares).
The userbase has been always touchy when it comes to IPO, and rightfully so; they know that the new owners will only care about squeezing the platform dry. As such, I predict a new flood of Redditfugees to Lemmy and Kbin.

Tearmoon Teikoku Monogatari - Ep04


Please, no discussion about plot points not yet seen or skipped in the show. Otherwise Guillotine-kun will get you.
Show info: MyAnimeList, official site, Kitsu, AniList, AniDB, Anime-Planet
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Tearmoon Teikoku Monogatari - Ep03


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Reddit mods dumped tokens hours before blockchain program termination
Summary: Reddit warns mods that it's ending its crypto program, before it warns the other users. What could go wrong? /s

Tearmoon Teikoku Monogatari - Ep02


Please, no discussion about plot points not yet seen or skipped in the show. Otherwise Guillotine-kun will get you.
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Tearmoon Teikoku Monogatari - Ep01


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Saihate no Paladin: Tetsusabi no Yama no Ou - Ep01


Aka The Faraway Paladin: The Lord of the Mountain of Rust
Please, no discussion about plot points not yet seen or skipped in the show.
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Simple script for PulseAudio, to quickly switch between headphones and speakers
I often switch between phones and speakers, but I'm too lazy to do it through the sound preferences window. So I came up with this script, and I'm sharing it here as others might find it useful.
You'll need to tweak it a bit to work in your machine, but once you do it you can run it from a launcher or a keyboard shortcut, it's really comfy.
Okay, here's the code:
!/bin/bash
You'll need to swap those four values with the ones that work in your machine.
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Check the rest of the post for further info.
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mainCard="pci-0000_06_00.1"
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mainProfile="hdmi-stereo-extra1"
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altCard="pci-0000_00_09.2"
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altProfile="analog-stereo"
If the current default source is main, your new source is alt. Else, your new is main.
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if [[ $(pactl get-default-source) == "alsa_output.$mainCard.$mainProfile.monitor" ]]
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then declare -g newCard="$altCard" newProfile="$altProfile"
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else declare -g newCard="$mainCard" newProfile="$mainProfile"
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fi
Tells PulseAudio to s

Watashi no Oshi wa Akuyaku Reijou. - Episode 01 - Discussion


Also known as wataoshi or I'm in Love with the Villainess.
Bot-kun didn't update for fall [NH] / spring [SH] and I couldn't find a thread about this series, so here I am.
Please, no discussion about plot points not yet seen or skipped in the show.
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Can't login or change password because the current password has less than 10 characters.
EDIT: I was able to solve this by going into the "change password" screen, right-clicking the "old password" field, clicking "inspect", and changing maxlength="60" minlength="10"
to maxlength="60" minlength="1"
, thanks to the tip provided by Dandroid in the comments.
When I try to login, the following message appears: "Please use at least 10 characters (you are currently using # characters)." Ditto when I try to change my password.
This issue affects me when trying to log in from Firefox and Chromium, in Linux. When trying to log in from Firefox in Android, I can't but no message is given. It does not affect Jerboa or Voyager, but I can't change my password from either.
Any idea on how to solve this? When I created this account 2y ago I was just checking Lemmy out, so I didn't bother with a strong password back then, but this has become a ticking bomb. I'm currently able to access Lemmy from Firefox due to saved credentials, but
Reddit Activity Plummeted After The Protests

Read to the end for some scrumbling

Excerpt:
Most major subreddits show a decrease of between 50 and 90 percent in average daily posts and comments, when compared to a year ago. This suggests the problem is way fewer users, not the same number of users browsing less. The huge and universal dropoff also suggests that people left, either because of the changes or the protests, and they aren’t coming back.

I found a short but really cute point-and-click game that cat lovers will probably love!

You died. Your unfinished business? The fate of your many cats!

The name of the game is Six Cats Under. It can be played online, and it's rather quick to play.
Backstory: you're the ghost of a recently deceased crazy cat lady. Your job is to free your cats from your home, because now you can't feed them, and you don't want them to starve.
All cats have their own personalities and names. For example Baroness is grumpy, Fredrick only cares about food, Mr. Spock likes to scratch furniture, etc. (Source: click on the cat and the ghost will say it.) This is relevant for gameplay because you need to make her cats interact in a certain way to open the door.
I'll provide the solution of the puzzle in the comments, but please try the game before using it. Otherwise you'll lose all those nice tidbits of narration from the ghost.

Concerns of Redditor safety, jeopardized research amid new mods and API rules.

The outcome was predicted by plenty users in this community, but now the news are noticing it.
Relay for Reddit now charges based on how much you use it

Relay for Reddit could cost between $1 and $5 per month.

Relay was (yup) one of the third party apps that survived the API-calypse. But this sort of model is unsustainable in the long run, given that the competitor (the broken native app) is free and unlimited.
The obvious future monopoly of the broken native app is bad for the platform in the long run, given that Reddit always sucked off ideas from third party apps; and now there's no incentive whatsoever to make it better, after Reddit Inc. killed the better competitors.
The Reddit Protest Is Finally Over. Reddit Won.

Reddit corporate claims victory over its disgruntled mods as r/aww, r/pics, and r/videos abandon the "John Oliver rule."

The title is a bit clickbaity but the article is worth a read. To keep it short:
- large subreddits stopped protesting
- 1.8k subreddits are still in the dark, but those are rather small
- [from the article] "Though the Reddit team likely caused permanent damage to the platform and its relationship with users, Spez got his way. But that victory might not mean much."
IMO it was a Pyrrhic victory. Sure, the protests ended, and most users are still stuck in that shithole... but the reputation damage won't be reversed, Reddit managed to seed its competitors (as this one) with the necessary userbase to make them functional, and odds are that Reddit will keep going in its death spiral. And that doesn't even take into account the amount of bad press that it generated, that will hurt IPO numbers for sure.