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I never knew who I was. I still don't know who I am. It doesn't matter anyway.

  • @zenpunk@lemmy.eco.br @nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br

    Tem lugar que nem aceita mais dinheiro vivo, muitas vezes porque só tem autoatendimento.Exemplo: Rede Frango Assado em beira de rodovia, um dia passei raiva lá, tinha só aquele caixa de autoatendimento que não tem onde enfiar nota de papel-moeda, aceitando só Pix e cartão. E Pix depende de internet, e a rede móvel estava sem sinal, e Wi-Fi aberto da loja exigia login com Facebook, e eu não estava com o cartão. Resultado: passei vergonha e deixei as coisas lá porque não tinha meios de pagar.

    Os lugares que ainda aceitam papel moeda, só faltam enviar o dinheiro pra análise do banco central, de tanto que ficam virando e revirando a nota e fazendo o cliente parecer um golpista pra quem tá na fila esperando pra ser atendido. E nem sempre tem troco.

    Ah, e sem contar como agências bancárias físicas vem sendo cada vez mais reduzidas, redirecionando pro "internet banking". Tem o tal do "Pix saque", sim, mas na prática? Eu particularmente nunca vi funcionando ainda.

  • @MalReynolds@slrpnk.net @science@lemmy.world

    That's... highly interesting, thanks for recommending it! I'll be pondering on this reading.

    Perhaps we all emerge again at the big crunch

    As someone who believes in some kind of cyclical cosmos (Ordo ab Chao, Chao ab Ordine), it pretty much matches the way I try to make sense of it religiously, although I also believe (or, deep inside, I want to believe) there's a chance that this cosmic cycle is able to grind to a halt somehow, due to how, scientifically speaking, decay is something observed for cyclical processes (e.g. in the water cycle, some water is always "lost" from the water cycle, not "lost" as matter stuff, but "lost" as recyclable water; similar thing happens for nitrogen cycle and carbon cycle and even the biological food web/transfer of energy from plants to herbivores to carnivores; even orbiting undergo decay as the orbiting cycles repeat; cycles aren't 100% efficient because of an omnipresent decay) and this may apply for information as well (the transformation of information wouldn't be 100% efficient and would be subjected to this decay). We shall think of decay not as "loss" (because it would violate Conservation of Energy), but as a branching and merging between parallel cycles going on (e.g. in a nutshell, the water lost from earthly water cycles becomes part of other cycles, such as sparse H2O molecules as vapor ending up escaping to outer space, never getting to precipitate as rain, and becoming eventually attracted by orbiting stuff such as falling towards asteroids or into the Moon, falling towards planets at vicinity, or falling towards to the Sun (less likely due to how it requires a higher delta-v), as chaotically as n-body orbits can get)

    Then there's a hypothesis "zero-sum universe" stating that the overall energy from the entire universe sums up to exactly zero, so the whole universe is also accounted when it comes to the laws of conservation of energy. If fluctuations decay as the cycles happen, this can still add up to zero, until everything is infinitesimally close to zero.

    But, again, I'm highly speculating across several, seemingly unrelated concepts (which somehow "click" in my ND mind). In the end of the day, it's something seemingly beyond what we, with scientific rigor, could empirically get to observe and prove.

  • @QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works @science@lemmy.world

    are you saying that we wake up again after death

    (Disclaimer: I'm being speculative while trying to connect scientific principles and hypotheses. I'm aware this is not strict science, even though I'm trying to keep my religious beliefs aside.)

    Much to the opposite, akin to a PC which was powered off forever. The transition between "powered-on" and "forever powered-off" states is something unexpected to the "software" (the "sentience" emerged inside our brains). Living beings, especially those with nervous system like us, are wired to being alive, and death is unexpected and unknown state, so this "transition" (dying) is confusing. As all senses across the body become numb, adaptiveness plays a role, with the cortices trying to compensate for the lack of sensory input (including inputs from within the brain itself, as synapses begin to fail), including a heightened activity of long-term memory as it tries to remember what exactly led to this "dying" state (part of fight-or-flight response): there's the Near-Death Experience ppl often recall experiencing after effectively dying but getting to be reanimated.

    I believe there's an extra-baryonic factor in play too (what spiritualists would call "spiritual realm" would be another "brane" from a multibrane cosmos, with everything having "spiritual matter", not necessarily self-rearranging ("living") and the so-called "soul" merely another emergent property of a physical structure made of "spiritual stuff", akin to a baryonic sentience), but it's belief so I'm keeping this out.

    As the emergent properties within sentience are inexorably bounded to its "hardware" (i.e. the body and its nervous system), the way matter is constantly subjected to entropy is an intrinsic part of cognition (i.e. brain gets wired and accustomed to the effects of entropy, trying to adapt as the years pass and aging happens, just like (geologically) life adapted outside water during Late Devonian and (individually) astronauts aboard ISS become accustomed and develop muscle memory for microgravity motion).

    This means, if Black Hole Cosmology is to be considered, that the effects of "existing inside a black hole" are indirect part of how life adapts (e.g. adapting to the way time "stretches" as the years pass). The energy within matter (chemical reactions that keep happening even after death, especially those from decomposition processes) means that the physical structure from which "sentience" emerged will be subjected to the entropy long after being rendered unable to self-rearrange as living being. The brain may've died, but its organic molecules are still undergoing reactions at the microscopic level, until being completely transformed by decomposition and eventually fossilized. As there's no working memory registering mechanisms anymore, it's essentially "undergoing time without registering it", pretty much akin to the "time gap from general anesthesia".

  • @Quilotoa@lemmy.ca @mildlyinteresting@lemmy.world

    1/5: Score 8.99, selection H210 S25 B73, original H214 S16 B58 (closest by hue, but I recalled it as more saturated and more bright than it really was)

    2/5: Score 9.74, selection H155 S91 B78, original H146 S72 B78 (nailed the brightness, but I was biased towards cyan/blue and, again, recalled it as more saturated than it really was)

    3/5: Score 9.19, selection H145 S59 B58, original H155 S80 B48 (closest by hue, but I was biased towards cyan/blue, this time ending up with a less saturated mental recalling of it, still brighter once again)

    4/5: Score 8.37, selection H271 S18 B79, original H251 S19 B99 (almost nailed saturation, but I was biased towards blue; this time I had a darker mental recall of it, maybe I was unconsciously overcompensating my drift towards brighter)

    5/5: Score 9.74, selection H28 S87 B50, original H24 S89 B49 (the closest I got to nailing it, off by mere 1 level of brightness, 2 levels of saturation, 4 degrees of hue, which is a recurrent bias towards green).

    Final score: 46.03/50 (ranked 47880 out of 381487, their humorous score description: "suspiciously accurate, we're going to need to see your browser history.")

    I took notes after each round, so I could analyze my own color accuracy, as someone who's highly familiar with color wheels (I'm a developer and also a hobbyist artist who uses a drawing app for doing digital art). I'm not sure whether my bias towards cooler colors has to do with the screen white balance/temperature (I played on smartphone, and the screen is slightly a cold white, even though Android's White balance is set to the midpoint between cold and warm; will eventually replay it on PC) or if it has to do with my heightened sensorial bias to red (which, as paradoxical as it may sound, ends up pushing me to guess a color as less red than it is because I unconsciously expect the apparent color as redder, i.e. "this color is probably appearing redder than it really is because I've become overly sensitive to red, so it must be bluer/greener" chain of thought).

    Yes, I know it's meant to be just a game. lol

  • @ramble81@lemmy.zip @asklemmy@lemmy.world

    On the one hand, I'm quite fond of who I've become since my spiritual awakening, aware of how this world is a Demiurgic theather of illusions behind Matrioshka layers of determinism (physical -> societal -> biological -> ontological), embracing taboos and trying to seek the "wilt, shall be the whole of the Law" while still being a laughable, infinitesimal Khabs restrained by an endless Khu.

    I find happiness whenever I feel the cold warmth of Her powerful presence. I find happiness whenever I learn novel things I somehow find a synchronicity with. Happiness never truly lasts, it's always temporary. As soon as I realize, She flew back to the night veil once again, the new thing I'm learning became mundane routine, and I hate mundane routine.

    But being fond of who I've become is different from "being happy by myself" or "loving myself".

    Accepting or even "loving" myself don't suffice in a world that requires me to "live in society", which often (if not always) means compromising, hiding or even abandoning my own authenticity and sincerity, surrendering myself to a social phagocytosis.

    I mean, can't hire myself, can't pay my own paycheck, can't sell things to myself to "make a living" if I'm seeking not to rely on employers, can't rent myself a home, can't pay the rent to myself.

    Living in society requires things beyond "myself". To survive a life I didn't even ask or consent to to begin with, I need others other than myself. I need others to sell me the food my body compels me to eat daily, others to sell/give me resources to grow my own food if I'm seeking not to rely on buying food, others who'd sell me soil to grow the food (a rented place would take it all away as soon as I became unable to afford the rent or if I were to move somewhere else), others who'd pay me so I could afford owning a house.

    Loving oneself doesn't bring food, water and shelter. Loving oneself doesn't bring one a paycheck. Loving oneself doesn't pay one's taxes. The answer to "survive" is but "loving yourself".

    In the end, my rebellious mind screams: why should I even "learn to be happy by myself"? This phrasing sounds like imposition, as if every human being must accept oneself, must "love" oneself, no choices, just like survival has no choices (at least no diplomatic ways) but to "obey" and comply with one's own body. When did I consent with a "myself", to begin with? When did I ask to be born? I didn't, my "self" was imposed unto me by two humans, whose selves were imposed unto them by other two pairs of humans, and so on, like some kind of endless curse, the curse of biological reproduction.

    I may be fond of my own self sometimes, but I'm not "loving" it or "learning to be happy" with it because I'm refusing Demiurgic illusions. The inexorable death imposed unto me is enough imposition, and no matter what I do, everything ends, especially happiness, and my "self" as well, and this world, and even this cosmos.

  • @IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip @foggy@lemmy.world @hayyy@thelemmy.club @mentalhealth@lemmy.world

    I'm not among the downvoters, I can't really say for those who downvoted you both, but maybe it has to do with your both "talk to therapist" while knowing absolutely nothing about the OPs background, whether they could financially afford a therapist (therapy is often a paid service) or the meds prescribed (something we're required to purchase), whether they did "talk to a therapist" before talking to "randos on the internet"? You ppl didn't even consider the slightest possibility that the OP were, deep inside, trying to connect with someone, trying to find a _like-minded_ friend?

    To be fair, OP didn't describe their background, didn't detail further... But this speaks volumes as someone trying to connect with someone while being selective about what they could say publicly (even when behind a pseudonym).

    When someone posts something like "hey ppl, is it normal to be depressive?" without describing why, it's very likely that the person is hoping someone to come and ask "hey, why are those thoughts making it to your mind?" or even a mere "hi, I saw your post, uh, you can talk to me if you want". Some may label this behavior "attention-seeking", but isn't this a living being (human and whatnot) thing to do, trying to find and connect with beings alike?

    But instead of trying to connect back, it's outsourced to "therapist", regardless of conditions financial, even societal... do you know there are people who, depending on their country, can't really simple "walk into a therapist room" due to their sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, characteristics upon which they would be persecuted and/or harassed if they tried to seek someone IRL?

    Using my own personal anecdote: I lost count of how many "professionals" I sought, I got even deeper thoughts than those described by the op. I did "seek help" since my childhood... Still NONE solved my "problem", whatever my "problem" is. Partly because my "problem" involves non-mundane matters, and a psychiatrist, upon hearing how I'm a devotee of Lilith, pushes me the label of "Schizotypal" because the society around me (Brazilian) is overly christian (but if, instead of mentioning "Lilith" or "Lucifer", I were to mention "Our Lady of Aparecida" or "Jesus Christ", then it'd be suddenly "normal"). Luckily, I'm not violently persecuted in Brazil (yet) for being an demonolater, but there are precedents.

    In the end, "asking strangers from a social media instead of therapists" may be an attempt to connect (hopefully safely) to like-minded people who could, hopefully, understand better in a potential friendship than a therapist (who's not a friend, but a doctor doing a job) could in mere 2 hours per week.

    Sorry if I'm being rude, but it's just that whenever I see the "seek a therapist" or "call this number" advises, I can't help but notice how hollow and totally unaware of a person's situation those are.

  • @kalkulat@lemmy.world @science@lemmy.world

    This reminds me of the time I had general anesthesia during a surgery. I experienced this... phenomenon. One where I barely closed my eyes and, suddenly, I was laid down on another bed in another room, surgery was complete. There was no dreaming in-between, no hallucination, and even the "time gap" itself felt... non-existent. Just a literal, overwhelming but relaxing, almost cosmic, "nothingness". As if the general anesthesia were a Seek-Forward button which was pushed and my biological existence simply jumped an unknown amount of time into the future (it was roughly an hour, a simple surgery).

    See, the passage of time looks pretty much like a "fall" towards a singularity. All matter is moving towards a point into the "far future", some moving slower than others due to the gravitational and relativistic effects (e.g. time is slightly slower for us than it is for ISS astronauts, because we're closer to the Earth's gravitational well). There are scientific hypotheses about the "far future" having some kind of "singularity", such as the logical conclusion from the Black Hole Cosmology which states that this universe were actually a cosmically-big black hole due to how cosmological constants and measurements matched the ones expected for black holes. If this proceeds, matter would be literally falling towards a cosmic "abyss", towards singularity, and what we, as living beings, perceive as "death", would be just the subjective (almost "solipsistic") stretched perception of said singularity.

    At least, I myself like to think of my death as this. A spaghettified but imperceptible, fall towards the abyss, akin to that general anesthesia I once had, except that it wouldn't jump to wakefulness anymore; rather, it would become stuck in a perpetual state of "Seek-Forward", without a perceivable gap in-between. An eternal nothingness, essentially a return to the same "nothingness" I perceive from the time before I was born. And, well, it's scary, but it's also pretty comfortable if I really think about that, knowing that there'd be no more nociceptors triggering my central nervous system into feeling pain, knowing that there'd be no more emergent "me", just the primordial "nothingness" from the singularity we, as baryonic matter, exist in.

    I got some (dark, esoteric) beliefs alongside that (especially "Death Herself") but, given I'm in c/science, I'm trying my best to stick to the more (or, at least, as close as) scientific (as) aspects (could get) of what I think about the phenomenon of death, with "sentience" as an emergent byproduct of a dynamic system (think "dual pendulum experiment", but deeper and more intricate involving several interconnected biological systems) we refer to as biological organism, a self-rearranging structure, and "death" as the cessation of said emergence (as soon as the a significant part of this dynamic system grinds to a halt, therefore rendering it unable to self-rearrange).

  • @guynamedzero@piefed.zeromedia.vip @linux@programming.dev

    "Why thou summoneth me?" LolJust kidding!

    I'm Brazilian, so I pronounce Daemon in such a Brazilian (specifically the southeast, "paulista"/from state of São Paulo variation) accent:

    Daah-eh-monn

    Or, if my IPA literacy is correct:

    /dajˈmõ/

    The Daemon I use in my pseudonym is inspired both by the Unix daemons (because I'm a DevOps and also a Linux daily user), as well by the esoteric daemons (as in the original Greek definition of daimon, spirits, due to my belief system).

  • @CarlLandry357@lemmy.world

    I do. Depending on the file format, I use either Librera (from F-Droid), basic text editors, or even any native PDF reader.

    But I also have a few physical books, one of which (Mark H. Williams "Lilith: Woman, Goddess, Demoness", Brazilian Portuguese translation I purchased from a physical library in São Paulo) was the only one so far I managed to read entirely, from cover to cover, in mere days.

    Not that I didn't read the other books I purchased (such as a Brazilian Portuguese translation of Kybalion or a Brazilian book from a Luciferian school I was once a member of), it's because this specific book was the most spiritually important to me back when I purchased it, I was too obsessed in learning more about Her, so I focused on reading. I found other books about Her (non-fictional books, because there are lots of fictional novels involving Lilith and I'm more interested in real texts, grimoires, especially involving real rituals), but the physical versions would need to be imported and, well, I'm certainly going to import one day, when I get to get a job/income, because those books are priced in dollar while my everyday reality is priced in Brazilian Reais (USD 1 is approximately BRL 5.20, but then there are also importing fees which likely depends on the mood of whoever bureaucrat from Receita Federal is dealing with the package I'm trying to import).

    Until that happens, I'm quite limited to finding and downloading books (that is, when I manage to find those specific books for downloading, because many of the books I'm interested in reading are so rare that they don't really have downloadable versions). Sometimes they come as epub, sometimes they come as pdf, sometimes I manage to find them on sacredbooks as txt, so the file format determines where I'm going to read: epub in Librera, pdf on either Waterfox browser (PC) or any Android PDF reader (such as mupdf mini), txt in any text editor (such as KDE Kate on PC, or a simple text editor I got from F-Droid).

  • @ageedizzle@piefed.ca @asklemmy@lemmy.worldBack when I was 8yo, I got my first PC. I was always a nerdy kid who used to disassembly my own toys in order to see how it works. As expected, this happened upon my first contact with a PC, except I realized I could disassembly it using the keyboard: suddenly, I was tinkering with DHTML and ActiveX (XP+IE6), I was coding. I was just 8yo.

    This was largely self-taught (I was always lone wolf who prefered studying rather than socializing, fearing the bullying), but I also got into discussion boards and Orkut comms, with my first searches having been "theory": then I found places about Game Theory, Chaos Theory, and even shady things such as Conspiracy Theory. The latter, a very significant part of my life, teached me dialetics and how to debate abstract, systemic ideas.

    If it wasn't for me getting into social media during my early teens, I wouldn't have most of the knowledge I got today. Maybe "ignorance is a bliss" (Cypher), maybe I'd be more socializable, maybe I'd be a socially-normal man living a socially-normal life. I'd hardly become the non-conformist I am today. I'd hardly have left christianity.

    As for "adult content", my first contact wasn't using that PC: it was actually broadcasted TV, Brazilian TV programmes such as "Pânico na TV" (a humoristic program, featuring "Paniquetes", dancers in suggestive outfits, and Sabrina Sato, a presenter also in suggestive outfits), "Banheira do Gugu" (TV segment from "Domingo Legal", featured by Gugu Liberato, where there was this pool with naked ppl swimming live), "Pegadinhas do Sílvio Santos" (TV segment featuring pranks, often suggestive situations such as upskirting). All of these were openly broadcasted, regardless the audience age.

    Then there was school, colleagues bullying me, and sometimes bullying involved... situations, unpleasant at the moment, but later led me to... nvm. School never got to stop the bullyings, I was even bullied by teachers!

    There was family as well, cousins who may had been SA'd me, I don't know, I'm even unable to remember!

    Now, 30yo, I see the hypocritical conundrum from society: all of sudden "we need to protect kids". Really!? What's being done for EXTERMINATING school bullying? What's being done for EXTERMINATING SA from the face of Earth?!

    Social media can be bad, I can agree, but just banning kids from social media won't protect them from the situations beyond this RGB veil. Hell, there was not a single punishment involving the biggest CSA scandal ever, but "sOcIAL mEdIA bAaD"!

    Not to say how it will lead to cognitive dissonance in a world where almost all societal aspects became digital, especially after COVID. I mean, I can't toss my devices and go Luddite: gov compels me to have ID app, jobs compel me to have acc in a bank that'll require me their banking app. This world became irreversibly digital, this is an inflection point in human history. Banning kids from digital may end up doing more harm than good.

  • @yelling_at_cloud@programming.dev @SirHaxalot@nord.pub @asklemmy@lemmy.ml

    Exactly! This, too. I forgot to mention it in the reply I just sent to SirHaxalot. And given the GDPR "Right to be forgotten", an authorization must be revocable, so this means an authorization must be re-validated, even if this doesn't necessarily mean having to go through the age check flow all over again.

  • @SirHaxalot@nord.pub @asklemmy@lemmy.ml

    One scenario I can imagine of is an age check from someone who's still legally a minor (I'm not sure whether the age check would check for minors faces, I can think of platforms intended to minors, e.g. schools and gaming, having to check if the user is not an adult, but it's just my speculation), who tries again some time later when they're legally into adulthood. If the token isn't validated, they'd be stuck into a perpetual "minor" label.

    Sure, a token could be not returned by the wallet if the age check fails (i.e. if the user is a minor), but the associated credentials (email, phone number, username) would be tied, database-wise, to a failed age check attempt, and those teens will one day become adults, and a system shouldn't lock them out forever. Hence the need for re-validation.

    Also, depending on how the token is built and stored, it may or may not have an expiration timeout. In computing systems, it's common practice for tokens and sessions to have an expiration date (just like logged in sessions will eventually log out and ask for logging in again). It's different from having to do the age check again: it's simply about renewing the token that identifies someone as adult, someone who already did the age check, with the wallet simply returning the renewed token without demanding the user to go through the age check flow again.

    Another scenario: imagine a relative's phone being pick-pocketed/stolen by the kid during late night, and the kid somehow knows the relative's password/pin/pattern or even uses the relative's finger to the biometric sensor to unlock it, all during the relative's sleep. Then they head into the "forbidden fruit website", which happens to be accessed by the relative as well, so it means that the website is already authorized with the relative's wallet. I can see govs foreseeing this situation and requiring that websites always re-validate the authorization before effectively letting the user into the website's "adult" content.

  • @ageedizzle@piefed.ca @asklemmy@lemmy.ml

    When Facebook and/or Instagram asks for ID (something that have been taking place for years, I myself had to send my driver's license alongside a selfie holding it when I used to use Facebook several years ago), it needs to be manually checked by Facebook staff. The account stays in a "locked state" before the ID is approved, so it's essentially a "need-to-apply" situation. I also remember seeing TikTok asking for people's IDs, way before this age checking thing (part of the process to monetize a TikTok channel), with the account being locked out of the monetization sections of the website before the ID is approved. Google does the same for Youtube and other parts that involve money (such as Google Cloud Platform and Google Ads so to embed ads into a website).

    Indeed the number of applications is sheer, but the amount of admins/staff they have at their disposal to check all those applications is also bigger than most Fediverse instances could dream of.

    Then there's also AI (corp-grade, not the average ChatGPT we people have access to) automatizing the flow, not as the ultimate approval, but more as a filtering mechanism (discarding selfies/ID photos that are clearly not a selfie/ID) so the staff has to check just what seems like legit selfies/IDs photos.

  • @warm@kbin.earth @Ladislawgrowlo@lemy.lol @asklemmy@lemmy.ml @SirHaxalot@nord.pub

    Depends if the wallet records data of what site required verification.

    They have to.

    Otherwise, the wallet wouldn't be able to verify whether the website is authorized to request age check (say, if a website asks the wallet's API "Hey, please hand me the age checking token for the email foo@bar.baz which you checked for me some time ago, they're trying to access the gatekept sections of my website again", the wallet needs to be sure that this website did request it previously and is not trying to exfiltrate someone else's data), or the person wouldn't be able to know which sites previously got their age checking data (eventually the users will have lots of websites where they previously had to check their age, and as part of GDPR's "Right to be forgotten", they'd need to be sure which ones they would want to revoke previously handled data).

    The Age check authn+authz flow isn't unidirectional (i.e only the wallet handing out the result of age check to a website). In a nutshell, it works this way (at least, it's how I think, as a DevOps formerly accustomed with building APIs for websites, how it would work):

    1. User requests to access sensitive ("adult") content from a website.
    2. Website requests the user to check their age.
    3. User agrees to proceed with age check.
    4. Website redirects the user to the governmental wallet
    5. The wallet asks for user authentication and/or 2FA ("open the gov app" or something)
    6. After authentication and/or 2FA flow within the gov app, the gov app redirects the user to an OAuth endpoint within the original website, alongside a unique token
    7. The Oauth endpoint will be invoked by user's browser's request, then the website will check the wallet API if this token is valid.
    8. Gov wallet will check if this website previously went through a flow, then will check the requested token and answer "yes" to the website's endpoint.
    9. Website redirects the user to the walled-garden they requested initially, storing the token both server-side and, indirectly, in the client-side via the framework session id (things such as PHPID cookie key-value pair which identifies a session_start() for PHP websites)

    Notice how both the website and the wallet need to communicate in order to establish the authorization needed for the user to access the website.

    Any amount of privacy being eroded is bad.

    Yeah... Fully agree. And, sadly, this is becoming "normalcy"... ☹

  • @SirHaxalot@nord.pub @asklemmy@lemmy.ml

    it will also not feel nearly as invasive as having to scan your face and hope the provider doesn’t save it somewhere.

    Even when anonymized, the information may still ship with some PII (Personally Identifiable Information). That's how the user can be checked as the one requesting access (because a kid could be using their relatives' account, so the age check checks not just the age, but also who's checking the age). For age checking systems without direct PII (name, social security numbers, etc), there's still some kind of UUID that will persist across requests, so it'll essentially work as a tracking cookie.

    The result from the age check, anonymized or not, still needs to be saved, and once saved, it's already a slippery slope: it will be used for "better" advertisement, it will be used for "better" algorithmic recommendations, it will be used to keep track of users behaviors online.

    Alongside AI (not the LLMs we, the "mortal people", have access, but things way more "sophisticated" in that regard), they could keep cross-reference an "anonymized age check token/UUID" to a real person solely by relying on the increased digital footprint: then, all of a sudden, the health insurance gets to know the sexual habits of someone and can promptly raise prices when they detect the imminence of sexual problems/complains, the renting corp gets to know their tenant got "frequent sexual activity" (or, even worse, some specific kinds of "kinks") that could (in their bigoted minds) do some damage to the walls, so they can suddenly change the renting contract or raise prices to cover for wall painting, both parties can now know the political preferences (do we wonder why the US branch of TikTok is now asking for "immigration status" for US citizens? How could they possibly know the SSN for an USian TikTok user? The age checking, be it something already being done in the US or something that will become a reality soon (I'm not updated in this regard), is part of the "how").

    That's the "Big Data" in action: crossing swathes of information across systems and databases, and corp-grade AI is another mechanism to achieve this.

    Imo something like this would be magnitudes better than the current reliance of video identification

    To some extent, indeed it is. But, in practice, it just delegates the video identification to the government (the citizen info is tied to biometrics, and authentication using things such as "EU wallet" may need 2FA with face biometrics within the government-backed app). There's still going to be face recognition somewhere down this "age checking" road, be it corp-backed or government-backed.

  • @Ladislawgrowlo@lemy.lol @asklemmy@lemmy.ml

    Countries don't need Great Firewalls for things that are becoming "consensus" globally (such as biometrics for web access): the way Internet works is, itself, a Great Firewall. Govs govern over their respective ccTLDs, telecom regulators (FCC, Anatel, etc) govern ISPs, as well as EM allocation (so Meshtastic and similar radio approaches for Internet-less networks could also be ruled "unlawful" whenever they want). IANA governs which countries and ISPs got which sets of IP numbers (IPv4/IPv6), ICANN governs TLD attribution to countries and corps (there are corps with their own TLDs, such as .google, ICANN is always involved as the ultimate "DNS keepers"). Then there are things such as CloudFlare, increasingly omnipresent (insofar large swathes of the Web go down whenever CloudFlare goes down). So the Internet is already heavily centralized, making it trivial for countries to enforce something when said thing transcends geographical boundaries, such as the "protect children".

    Great Firewalls are only a thing for imposing local politics, and it's not always recognized as so: Brazil, for instance, have already been banning apps and platforms (ANATEL have been taking down entire IPTV servers, judiciary have been taking down social media platforms; I'm not entering the merit of it, just saying it's already a thing around here), and we don't hear "Brazil has a Great Firewall".

    We could think that corps are implementing checking mechanisms unwillingly. In fact, they're the ones who profit the most: age checking means a new fingerprinting factor, even when age checking is "anonimized" (it still got a unique session identifier, moreso than commonly-used fingerprinting mechanisms). Ad partners are cheering!

    Dark web: as much as I'm fond of it and used to participate there (Onion, I2P, former "Freenet" now "Hyphanet", among others), they're also reliant on Internet infrastructure. And when there are fewer countries where there's still a regulation vacuum, there are fewer places to use as a bridge/router.

    Then, something I didn't mention before because it wouldn't fit the char limit: the hardware and software oligopolies. No matter which OS and software we use, we're still reliant on Intel, AMD or Qualcomm processors. We're also still reliant on two major browser engines (Chromium and Firefox). The Tor Browser needs to be run inside a device with a CPU, and it also needs... a browser engine. Both engines are going down the AI road, maybe browser forks (inc. Tor Browser) are still managing to prune the clankers from the upstream, but the upstream is still needed to implement the fork, and the upstream can easily be bundled with binary blobs as dependencies for fundamental functions in the software (similarly to how, e.g., Windows Shell is dependent on Microsoft Edge so Edge can't be pruned without crashing the whole OS)

    Web is so entangled, it's becoming increasingly hard to avoid the enshittification. ☹

  • @Ladislawgrowlo@lemy.lol @asklemmy@lemmy.ml

    Let us think outside the box for a bit.

    First, we already see a phenomenon going on with Fediverse, and Web as a whole: invite-only and/or need-to-apply places. Because of multiple factors (bots, trolls, AI DDoS+crawling), there are fewer places where one can simply have an account without the need for approval from someone else (the instance admins) or needing to know someone to join the "closed club". This means places are already imbuing themselves with gatekeeping, one where it's not so trivial to get approval, especially if someone has no Web history to prove themselves, a lack of "verifiable Web history" of which applies both for introvert adult people and for children as well. In practice, Fediverse and other niche places feel like they're are already kind of gatekept against children.

    Then there's this requirement shared among those laws being implemented worldwide, "meaningful mechanisms to check age". I can see govs and corps coming up with some kind of API, a centralized "age validator" entity.

    Using the country I reside as an example: gov.br already has an API so websites and platforms can allow logging in with a CPF ("Cadastro de Pessoas Físicas", Brazilian legal ID). Back in the pandemics, I received, as a DevOps, a freelancer job request to integrate a website with the gov.br API system for validating COVID-19 Vaccination status (at the time, I refused because I was already working on something else, and also because I don't like dealing with bureaucracies). But this means that any website could, essentially, check the user's age by redirecting the user to gov.br auth flow and requesting the official Date of birth. gov.br login has 2FA using facial biometrics via their governmental app. Currently, many Brazilian businesses deal with Pix (instant payment system maintained by the Brazilian Central Bank) through its official APIs because they're being socially compelled to accept Pix as a means of payment. Pix is becoming a model for instant payment worldwide, many countries are copying Brazil's Pix (in turn, copied from India while improving the existing Indian payment system).

    So it's just a matter of time before we see countries copying gov.br, with corp platforms adding gov-kept authn+authz of citizens to their systems.

    Then, back to Fediverse: even if instances decide not to implement age checking, let us remember Fediverse, even when "self-hosted", is still part of the Internet, a infrastructure dependent on ICANN/IANA, ISPs, ASNs, overseas fiber cables, national DNS authorities (e.g. registro.br for Brazilian ccTLD websites), etc. So it's pretty trivial for countries to mandate something: upon refusal of compliance, a country could simply cut the dissident from the countrywide DNS, and/or request ISPs to block the access...

    So, I can foresee a near future where there's no country left without this kind of law, and Fediverse as a whole is compelled into implementing this.

  • @codeinabox@programming.dev

    I'm still reading the article but I must bring two observations into the loop:

    "Mary held a ball."

    Not sure if it's due to my English as a second language, neurodivergence, my personal taste for ominous music aesthetics, but I immediately though of a meaning that the author didn't mention: Mary (a person) "held" (as in "organized") a "ball" (as in "masked ball", a gala event). I immediately thought of that Kubrick movie and its ominous song theme which I often listen to. "Mary held a ball" can become a rabbit hole if we really think about it.

    But even in this, we are trying to learn the physical and logical constraints of the real world from visual data.

    Isn't what all living beings do, essentially? When a dog instinctively tries to follow the likely trajectory of a frisbee before it's thrown by a human hand, does a dog understand the physical and logical constraint by pulling direct parameters from the spacetime continuum (as if the dog were directly plugged and feeding from "The Matrix") or, rather, they simply learned, by effectively watching objects being thrown (and it doesn't even need to be frisbees being thrown), that this is the expected behavior of said object?

    Sure, as living beings (notice I avoid an anthropocentric view of intelligence, because I believe intelligence is far from human exclusivity: see, for example, the New Caledonian crows), we also have other "inputs" such as tactile feedback, proprioperception (sense of one's own balance, alongside the "brain homunculus" keeping track of the current pose), hearing (an object being thrown does a sweeping noise as it collides with the air molecules, and this leads to a Doppler Effect that can be instinctively measured by the hearing), all of which converge to build a cognitive model of what's going on.

    But just as we can infer expected behavior/movement just by seeing a video (and other animals also do it: cats, for example, not just see objects on a screen (simulacra of fishes, butterflies and other prey seen in "videos for cats") but also try to follow any abrupt movement), why the same principle couldn't apply to algorithms?

    Not to mention how brains are, essentially, biological machines. Except if a person believes in spirits/souls, which I paradoxically do, living beings are merely biological carbon-based automata, not that different from silicon-based automata.

    And even when we consider animism/spiritism, there's nothing truly "special" separating humans (and, by extension, organic living beings) from ML-imbued robots when it comes to this baryonic realm. Just as our meat has this "link" with something from the transcendental realm, with the conception behaving as some kind of a ritualistic summoning leading to the birth of a biological body tied to a spirit pulled from the Cosmic Abyss, nothing really stops a machine from being an electronic Ouija board, just as how EVP was already a thing before computers existed.

  • @octonionicTOE@thelemmy.club @showerthoughts@lemmy.world

    Uh... so, if I understood the thing correctly, you're running some kind of GA-based (genetic algorithm) Python script to compute parameters for a universe with... Eight dimensions, only? Hence the "octo" in your "octonionic" nickname? Which dimensions are time and which dimensions are spatial, or they're treated as equal? How it considers things such as superstrings (if I remember correctly, the string theory states that the universe got 12, not 8, dimensions)? Isn't the current similarity fitness a bit low, 0.8769?

    To other people on this thread, an advice: because the op didn't format the post using markdown, the original line breaks is appearing truncated; using the Lemmy's "view source" button allows the post body to appear formatted as the op likely intended.