I'll be interested to see what happens with this.

New forms of industry will work out if you got very low capital costs and high energy costs. The factory is going to be running, what? At most 25% of the year? Probably more like under 10 and unpredictable. That's going to be so weird for profitability.

I feel like storing the hydrogen itself could be an issue. Storing methane seems way easier so I wonder if that happens instead. But is it cheap to make a device that can make huge amount of hydrogen or methane? I have no idea and no one seems to know what's going to happen yet.

I just expect most of it to be dumped. Because it's 1 less thing to buy.

Neat, a point by point breakdown. Love those. In no way are they fingernails to the blackboard of internet discussion

Well unfortunately your mental capacity seems to make it a necessity.

That's what the whole comment is about. "Why" is the entire thesis of the comment. It is the comments entire raison d'être. In summary: the inefficiencies inherent to distributed implementation, the lack of service infrastructure, the short lifespans of the high-density battery chemistries needed in residential installs, etc.

The question is about why you think solar is good for home but not batteries. That hasn't been explained. You used grid issues as a reasoning and inefficiencies. Which is exactly the same as as solar and that was the whole reason for the question in the first place. I'm sorry you're not getting that, I made the fatal assumption you had some intelligence behind you but I'm being proved wrong. You can't even understand simple conversations. The only actual point you made is wear on batteries but that only matters for a financial and environmental factors but your point falls flat on it's face with both. I guess you did also say batteries are better on the grid than at home but that was accepted before the conversation started and the same with solar (at least for me and hence the conversation). The financial business reasonings is just mind blowing, businesses and consumers like to make money and they both do. Financially, batteries aren't some Elon conspiracy theory, that's just business. That seems too much for you. But solar has the same ideas about paybacks so I do struggle to see how you think one works and the other doesn't. Ah well I guess an answer to that isn't coming.

I don't really care, though. It's got nothing to do with the points I was making, which is why I didn't address it. It's largely irrelevant.

Its not though because you think a businessman isn't doing businessman things. That's how its directly relevant to what you said.

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Hahahaha this is the icing on the cake. Your arrogance matches your stupidity. Look if you're going to try correct someone at least spend 10 seconds on google, but obviously that's too much for you. That's how that's words spelt. Hahaha that says it all about your conversation doesn't it? That should be the end of it, but at least I'll finish this comment off.

Okay, no. This is not how residential demand or load balancing or power infrastructure works. There's components you're assuming exist that would have to run on magic to be safe (some kind of automatic interlock cut-in), and even those would absolutely devastate the grid by constantly adding and removing whole residential loads at random.

I don't know what to say. When solar is used in the house it doesn't go down the lines. There is less demand on the wires that's just fact.

I'm sorry. I known you want to come across like you know stuff but I just started by asking you about a simple point and you've come across really badly both in terms of intelligence and in delivery. Good luck with both in the future.

Yes but the trend has changed. Oil demand was growing largely due to China. That has stagnated massively. The change is trend of demand links with a change in the supply from Russia. I'm not on expert on these matters and I don't want to come across like that.

But it seems if China didn't stop increasing we would have had price issues.

With dropping oil prices American firms won't want to drill. Also imports of materials has gone up and China has stopped buying American LNG.

though the generator is going to be far more eco friendly than the batteries over their respective lifetimes

That's just not true.

vastly inferior solution to the implementation of even local grid scale solutions.

Same as solar. But you seem to be pro rooftop solar but not home grids and no explanation why.

Also because there is essentially 0 infrastructure designed to handle said batteries,

Makes no sense because the struggles the grid currently has with solar will be offset. Home batteries reduces demand on the grid and internalise production and demand more into the house.

they wear out quite quickly at home scales (unless you're using uncommon chemistries, but if you're using iron-nickle batteries you're not the target audience here)

In a cost exercise if the batteries last longer than the payback period they are worth it. Which is the case so that point is meaningless.

and because Elon popularized them with his "powerwall" bullshit entirely to pump the stock value of Tesla's battery plant (which is it's own spectacular saga I encourage you to look up, it's a real trip).

I don't under a CEO pushes a good product that helps the grid and helps consumers make money. Your bias against Elon is just limiting your world view.

Batteries in the walls are useful in niches, but the current technology which uses lipo/lion/lifepo4 chemistries is inherently flawed and a route to both dead linemen and massive amounts of E-waste.

Chemistry has nothing to do with electrons on the wires so that doesn't make sense. Lithium ion batteries are recyclable. Yes batteries are Bette Ron the grid but getting them connected is hard. Same solar, waste on roofs but thats how it goes. The arguments are the same.

They could be useful potentially, but as it stands, it's really bad right now.

They are useful. They aren't bad.

Yes it can, I didn't say otherwise. I'm not sure what your point is.

The electricity grid is about matching supply and demand. Hydro is not going to stop massively amount of wind and solar being wasted in a 100% is it?

Also most grids don't have enough hydro storage or inertia to solve to problem by itself.

You need to look up how much grid storage lithium batteries are being built. It's exponential growth. Faster than solar.

The reason it's worthwhile is because solar makes energy with 0 or near 0 price to the owner in certain places, if they store that and use it for later they save money. There are cost calculators out there and for certain markets they make sense.

Of course Tesla pushes it they got a product people want and it makes the consumer and Tesla money. Win win. That's business, nothing shady about that.

Yes batteries are better on the grid but that's for exactly the same reasons why solar is better on the grid.

Oil is interesting at the moment. Russia has been getting cutoff for a few years from global markets and oil didn't really rise. Maybe I missed other reasons but it seems like demand didn't increase enough for it to matter like it would have in years gone by. China is rapidly reducing their oil demand, Europe and America are following. Renewables seem set up surge around the rest of the world.

OPEC+ is having issues with countries not sticking to quotas.

Trumps then got a lit a petrol can on fire and thrown it onto the pile and everyone else and himself which has caused economist to predict a recession which is causing oil prices to drop.

There seems like a lot of reasons for oil to drop in price and if OPEC+ sees the writing on the wall for the end of times maybe oil will drop in price further. Which ironically is worse for the things that are causing the price drop in the first place.

Personally short term I hope it just fucks over Russia.

I don't see why home batteries are propaganda. Those prices are plummeting and they have decent payback times in some markets.

The reasons for getting solar is the same reasons for getting batteries.

Just to be clear this can't be solved with storage. Currently it can be but not permanently.

For ease of argument let's say the grid runs 100% on solar with batteries that last a day. For 100% solar you need to build power for when demand is highest, winter, and supply is lowest also winter. Come summer demand is lowest and supply is highest. You can't store all that energy in summer because you got fuck all to do with it.

It's a really weird cost saving exercise but basically when supply is massively abundant it has to be wasted. No one is going to build that final battery that is only used for 1 day every 10 years.

Bringing it all together. In a 100% renewables grid with solar, wind, hydro and batteries a lot of electricity will be wasted and it will be the cheapest way to do it. Cheaper than now.

Quite a few people talk about this on youtube. Tony Seba and rethinkx is the best place to start in my opinion.

People have moved closer to the middle from both sides, but the average has moved to it being bad.

I'm saying from the 70's to the 80's things got less sexist, less conservative, more liberating, more free speech. Same thing happened from the 80's to the 90's. Possibly same from 90's to 00's (or maybe largely the same). Then 00's to 10's the trend reversed, then 10's to 20's that reversal continued.

Now here we are.

What I am saying is. Whenever I talked to people about university that were older than me it seemed better in their view and mine. Everyone I talked about university after seems it got worse in their view and mine.

Same for childhood and same for 20's (2008 being an exception). I also noticed this about travelling to other countries.

Thank you. I didnt know about lenovo so that's good to know.

System76 seems especially out of my price range. I haven't bought a computer for 12 years, can't believe laptop's cost more now (even accounting for inflation) than they did back then. It's unbelievable. Might have to work out if I want a good one to last a long time (which is risky) or to get a cheaper one and expect to replace earlier.

By thank you that is helpful.

I just spent two years living and working in Australia and New Zealand. Not sure any of that applies to me.

When I came to university and meeting girls/ having fun everything that came before me seemed better, everything that came after me seemed worse.

Its been on the downward for a while. Same applies to being a kid, though I did get somewhat a good foot in both worlds as a kid. Now seems worse than my time though.

Family still means something because the definition is limited.

Community is dead and the reason for that is community is exclusive, by necessity it has to have people in the community and people outside the community.

People can't stand not being involved so they force they way in shit all over the floor ruin it and then suddenly the community is dead.

I want to get into Linux and I need a new laptop. I'm happy to go secondhand but I actually want a half decent thing that can play some games, not the cheapest box I can put Linux on and use fake word.

Am I best off just buying a new windows laptop than I can dual boot? Or any other suggestions?

Windows is US$ 139.00. So I figured if I buy a laptop without windows it will be 139 less but I guess manufacturers get windows for like $20 so there are no saving anyway.

Edit:should probably add I'm from to UK I that's relevant

Me a Europoor master race :)

Looks like all that wealth you got in your tech elite is really going great isn't it?

I really feel like the world's changed.

The last 20-30 has seen everything flip on it's head it's so weird.

Everything seemed more freeing and liberating, more open . But now everything's gone to shit. Don't even care if I sound like a boomer anymore. World is actually fucked up.

Plenty of things have been tried.

Like communism has been tried multiple times. Every time was an unmitigated fucking disaster.

Can't wait for my free pants. 2 years on the waiting list or pay some corrupt official 10 times the value to get some next Tuesday.

Hilter should have gone all in on Donitz.

Could have let to a real weird outcome. Would have destroyed the UK, slowed down the Manhattan project. Given Germany more resources against the Russians.

Next thing you know there V2 nuclear rockets being launched from sub's hitting all the costal cities of the US.