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  • I read your post as well, but was also unsure of what to say. For a conversation like this face-to-face, the most useful thing I can do is to listen.

    I'm not sure why others would downvote. In moments like these it's more important to be supportive and understanding than trying to repress or ignore these thoughts.

    I'm sure many others listen and care, but don't know how to lend support. I hope you'd forgive them for that. I hear you.

  • that’s ignoring the fact that the EU hasn’t even existed for centuries to do any of that colonialism or other stuff which you think merits its dismantling.

    Jesus fucking Christ... you libs are not even content with ruthlessly exploiting, robbing, and pillaging us for everything we're worth, you're determined to drive us insane as well by turning around and saying "nuh-uh" when someone calls you out on it...

    The masks are slipping REAL FUCKING FAST.

  • Comradeship // Freechat @lemmygrad.ml
    NotMushroomForDebate @lemmygrad.ml

    What are your favourite RSS feeds for news, general happenings, etc.?

    Aside from a few feeds that I'm subscribed to for personal hobbies/interests, the rest of what I have are just mainstream English western media feeds that I keep around to keep my finger on the pulse.

    This makes the prospect of looking at my feeds feel quite 'doom-scrolly' though.
    I would like to populate it with feeds that I would actually be interested in reading in regards to news breaking and analysis of current happenings.

    Any recommendations, ideas, even feeds for things other than news, etc.? Anything you would like to share with the community is more than welcome.

  • Wow, thanks for all the insight! I think in general this is a very good mentality to have, and to pause and really reflect on it before even picking up the pencil as you say.

    The focus on actionability is interesting though. Would you not say that some forms of propaganda aren't necessarily meant to spur action per se, but rather serve as an opener or starter? Maybe I'm not wording this correctly, but it would follow the same concept as the Funnel model. Some forms of media would have large appeal and only serve to push people further down the funnel to be more receptive to other forms of media or propaganda. Or would you consider this a non-effective path that is akin to the sign-holding you mentioned? Or perhaps I am misanalysing this concept.

    With the example you gave, the goal is very clear and it's quite straightforward to break down. I wonder if you have any more examples that are perhaps a bit more modern as well.

  • Perhaps on foreign policy, but other than that you have the hardline anti-immigration stance in addition to socially conservative policies and subtle yet no-so-subtle climate denialism.

    I don't know what to make of this election. I'm hoping more German members here expand on this.

  • I don't disagree with any of the points you raise.
    I'm mainly asking about what we should do in the case that a similar referendum happens in the EU when this rhetoric is already controlled by the right. Assuming we don't have the time/opportunity to build and grow our own leftist anti-EU rhetoric.

    The assumption here is that we would know beforehand, given the popularity of the right, that they would rise to power in the direct aftermath and accelerate the worsening of the material conditions for the working class, in addition to enacting a lot of hateful policies for marginalised groups.

    The question is less about what should the left's position be on the EU in general, rather about what should be done at that specific point in time where you know what the immediate consequences would be if that country left the EU through a rightist movement.
    In other words: should an EU-exit be delayed by leftists until it happens under more favourable conditions?

  • Thanks for the insight. The party work you are doing sounds very interesting and it's great to know that it's growing.

    I understand that it's a difficult issue to analyse, and I've been thinking about it a lot as I've mostly been looking at Germany where this topic is more salient than most other EU countries.

    I looked at the DKP, which seemed to be the most reasonable of the communist parties in Germany according to the responses on this Ask Lemmygrad thread. Most of the campaign posters they have seem to zero-in on this anti-EU rhetoric:

    I felt I should understand whether this really should be the main focus since I found it a bit odd that they're choosing to spend so much time campaigning on this when the anti-EU rhetoric is already very popular with the right.

  • I'm not sure I understand what the stance to take would be in this instance. What is the opportunity that is being presented for leftist movements in this scenario? Should we be trying to take over the anti-EU rhetoric from the right with our own movements? I feel that this is very unlikely to succeed given how popular the far right is and how powerless the left is currently in a country like Germany for example.

    In this scenario, should we push back against the movement to exit the EU so long as we know for certain that far right groups would inherit power in the aftermath? Or do we still support an EU exit and allow the short to medium-term damage to occur while trying to organise and focusing on mutual-aid for affected groups?

    I'm not sure. I feel quite conflicted with supporting an EU exit where we're pretty-much asking the working class of that country to martyr themselves.

  • Ask Lemmygrad @lemmygrad.ml
    NotMushroomForDebate @lemmygrad.ml

    What is the view regarding the consequences of Brexit-style EU exits?

    To preface: This is not in defence of the EU. There will be no imperialist apologia in this post/question.

    The push for EU exits is overwhelmingly right-wing in the majority of EU countries. We knew beforehand what the result of a move like Brexit would be like for the UK, especially for the material conditions of the working class, at the very least in the short-term, which was quickly confirmed by the situation we can currently see.

    While no one can claim that the EU's supposed 'rule of law' and institutions have managed to curb the resurgence of fascism, as evidenced by the popularity of fascist rhetoric and political parties in most EU countries, it still worth noting that they strongly oppose the EU nonetheless.
    However minimal, right-wing and fascist parties are limited by the EU in their desired expression of xenophobic, queerphobic, abelist, anti-immigrant, and other generally hateful policies where marginalised people are used as scapegoats. Limitations they would very m