Because the EU is Israel's biggest trade partner and claim to represent democracy, humanity and all that.

The Democratic party is right there, and it stands for nothing.

That'd be nice, but no. The Democratic Party stands for keeping leftists out of power and, if possible, keeping neoliberals in power. It's a shit platform, but it's there and it means they'll fight you tooth and nail (or simply kick you out, as they're trying to do to David Hogg) if you try to bring even center-left politics to the party.

Okay that doesn't make sense. MAGA are big boys capable of being Nazis completely on their own merits; they're not some Nazi-by-association chumps.

Welcome to thermodynamics, where the rules are:

1-You cannot win, only lose or break even.

2-You can only break even at absolute zero.

3-You can not reach absolute zero.

Why? It's longer and less obvious than "establish party now run for president tomorrow," but with a progressive leftwing third party a clear path to success exists. Now technically one also exists within the Democratic Party, but to take that path you'd need to antagonize the old guard so much that you might as well not be a party member at all, and they'll still demand ideological or practical compromises to keep you in the party. This will lose you legitimacy with your base in the same way many progressives are souring on AOC, either significantly curtailing the effort or destroying it entirely. The problem with working within the party is simple: You'll never get anything done by appeasing neoliberals.

Uh... Sorry to spoil it for you but the SPD is also neoliberal.

Easier to get her in as the head of the thing and clean it up that way.

Uh... What makes you think that's ever going to happen?

Well thanks :)

It certainly isn't just guys that have sex or masturbate.

Of course, that's not what I'm trying to say though. My point is that I doubt a significant fraction of girls find it desirable to, say, jack off to a picture of a guy with his shirt off, while if we ignore the ethics of it most guys would have no problem jacking off to a picture of a moderately attractive topless woman.

Obviously there are, but the objects of attraction differ. This person made my point for me so see: https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/406debe5-3997-43d4-a930-abfc9cb2252b.webp

How do you live like this? Scrambled for the win my man/woman/compadre.

Okay "from the start" was wrong on my part, but they were an active combatant for most of the war.

You think that rating somebody by hot or not does not change your view, nor anybody else's? Teenage girls are not subject the influence of popularity, it's only teenage boys? Teenage girls aren't going to gossip about the dads, share pictures, jerk off to them,

Admittedly I don't understand popularity dynamics on either sex so I can't speak much to that, but jerk off to them? I wouldn't think so no. I mean what's the most sexual a non-porn picture of a man can get? Abs? Muscular thighs? There's a lot more room for sexuality in a woman's appearance than a man's (and men are just hornier).

dream about being in a relationship with them,

That sounds possible, but you'd be better off asking a woman rather than speculate.

worship them, non of that?

I don't think even guys worship hot women.

That makes it right, doesn't it?

No, it makes it its own event worthy of consideration on its own merits, not by analogy because the analogy assumes symmetry that doesn't exist.

I know girls are very much capable of being horny, but the magnitude differe. I can't provide a source but I read somewhere that this is actually something trans men struggle with.

If you think teenage girls are have as much libido as teenage guys then... Uh... No. That's like arguing guys have boobs and we just don't notice them.

You believe that Dad #1 wouldn't be treated or viewed differently?

Yes, exactly. Why do you believe he would be?

I'm sure you wouldn't be arguing if it was the mothers that kids were rating.

Yes, because if it was teenage dudes collecting pictures of hot moms the first thing they'd do is jack off to them. The dynamic is completely different.

America was isolated from WW2 and joined at the end on their terms and for their benefit thanks to their location/geography.

That was WWI, they were in WWII from the start.

I love it.

If beauty pageants were shitposts? Yeah. Beauty pageants place real value (social and sometimes monetary) on external appearance, which takes them from a harmless affair to a symptom of The Patriarchy™. To quote myself from elsewhere in the thread:

The way I see it, these superficial factors need to materially impact how you treat or view a person before you go from observation to objectification, otherwise "wow this person is tall" becomes objectification which I don't think is a productive use of the term.

If it ended with shitposting? Yeah, but obviously that's not gonna happen. To quote myself from elsewhere in the thread:

The way I see it, these superficial factors need to materially impact how you treat or view a person before you go from observation to objectification, otherwise "wow this person is tall" becomes objectification which I don't think is a productive use of the term.

See also: https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/406debe5-3997-43d4-a930-abfc9cb2252b.webp

Many things in society aren't symmetric between men and women.