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leftist infighting

  • You know there is a difference between wise people being listened to because of experience or just because it's been smart and suggesting rules everyone then agrees on and a feudal lord or class thereof that are exploiting a poorer majority with threats of violence and living a lavish lifestyle. There are still existing tribes in Asia or Amazonas that don't even have words for mine and yours because the concept of owning is so foreign to them. Everything is shared. To say that they are being ruled comparably to medieval and modern systems just doesn't make sense.

  • I like a quote from the German left party. Said: "Well a true democratic communism hasn't really had the chance to prove itself yet" - which got me to think. Maybe the democratic majority just doesn't want communism. Now why is that? I think because almost all the opinions and information they are being barraged with are coming from capitalist owned news or because most people need to have this illusion that their work or whatever they are doing will eventually make them be better off than their neighbors.

  • https://queer-bolshevik.medium.com/the-aes-doctrine-wrong-then-wrong-now-a8666de371da

    This is a good read. There is a pretty large socialist movement that seems to have the idea that to reach global socialism we need to defend every self proclaimed socialist state without asking any questions at all and hope they'll get better over time.

  • Thank you for correcting me in such a condescending way. Not everyone is a native speaker, doesn't mean I don't speak English.

    Look at the comment I am replying to. The literally said Israel must go. What is that implicating? Certainly not Israel needs to be rehabilitated, like Nazi Germany, which is what I am advocating for here.

    Reading your second paragraph, we seem to agree.

    It's the Comment I am replying to that seems to want Israel gone. How do you make that happen, without eradicating or displacing them (both of which is considered genocide)?

  • Thank God they didn't gain the upper hand.

    I think "Israel" needs to be demilitarized and dezionified so that they cannot hurt anyone else. The people responsible for the genocide and crimes against the Palestinian people need to be tried in a court. Let an international alliance govern the affairs of a new state of Palestinians and Jews willing to live together in piece. Everyone else who wants to continue the violence can fuck Off.

    I don't understand why I am being downvoted for this except that maybe some of these people screaming for peace here actually just want to reverse the killing.

  • Don't go there. If people would've had these opinions on Germany after WW2 that would've went really bad. Germany has been rehabilitated not perfectly but imo rather well. I think it is possible for Israel/Palestine as well.

    Or are you suggesting to genocide Israelis like their government is doing to Palestinians right now? That'd be pretty fucked up, don't you think?

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  • The solution is a Multi-Party system with coalition and then compromise out of a position of power. We need to accept that in almost all societies the real left are a minority. Humans don't like the socialist ideas even if it benefited then Right now because they dream of escaping poverty and to then be better than others. If we destroyed the class system they'd have no chance to some day be better than other people. I believe this drive to get ahead is part of human nature and only few are able to fight it and think in the benefit of the whole.

    So there are 2 options:

    1. Is a revolution, violent and ends in establishing an authoritarian government forcing your beliefs on the majority of people which kinda goes against my democratic beliefs and the right of freedom
    2. Go into politics. In europe it would be voting very left and gain enough votes to join a coalition to make the centrists enable more and more socialist policies. This worked very well in some countries like early Germany, netherlands and a big portion of Scandinavian countries. In America basically the only option would be to join the democratic party and advocate socialist policies from within like Bernie sanders is trying for example. Vote more left in the primaries to try and gain influence.

    After that when it comes down to voting either of the 2 parties though you probably need to accept the current majority in the democratic party in order to not enable far right.

    The time to go more left is between big elections and from within. In big elections like the upcoming its time to set differences aside and unify for the lesser evil.

    Never forget that a democracy is a rule of the majority of the population and not a rule of the best policies from your perspective. If you think: Fuck the majority, this is how the country should be run, you are not democratic.

    This of course disregards the influence powerful people take in politics which is another topic and way more complicated.

  • "I respect christians who don't force their views on me"

    No, you don't. You just prefer not to be reminded that you're living in sin.

    Everybody preaching thinks, everyone must adhere to their personal moral beliefs. They don't.

    And we are not advocating veganism by antagonizing people. That just makes YOU feel better about yourself and doesnt help the animals at all. If you actually care about animal well-being you will set your ego aside and try to actually convince the carnivores by being a good example and adapting your arguments.

    I always point out that I will not discuss the morals of killing animals because it's difficult for a lot of people. I will go on the level how our society treats the animals before killing them. Almost noone is arguing about that. And I've convinced a lot of people that way to at least drastically reduce their meat consumption. The rest will come later.

    Isn't it about reducing animal suffering in the world in total? It should be. Making everyone be vegan in no time at all is unrealistic. We are reducing global meat consumption by emphatically making people question their choices and not by antagonizing them. They'll just get defensive and mock us.

  • Just look around here. Most of the people here are part of the hate club. Constantly you see posts wishing the worst and horrible deaths on the people they disagree with or who commit crimes/do horrible shit/are rich, and they are being celebrated. ACAB, Trump should off himself, eat the rich, celebrating people drowning on their yachts... But hey, it's not hate speech if you are on a moral high ground right? Most people here probably agree, that prisons are for suffering, just that so often the wrong people are suffering.

    America needs a functioning justice system and people abusing their power is horrible. But you need to fight it by enforcing a system and punishments according to a set of laws. There is no emotion or revenge in justice.

  • The US will never stop supporting Israel. They are too dependent on it geopolitically. I believe we may see some more inner political movement against Netanjahu supported by certain US agencies. He will not survive this conflict as prime minister. This will of course not help Palestinians in the long run but it may help with a ceasefire and as a result help the democrats in the upcoming election which would be the main goal right now.