I want to clarify that I was being extremely sarcastic in that comment. I was mocking the anti-"tankie" user for saying "follow the rules and be nice" but doing "downvote people with your alt account".
And most Zionists in the fediverse are liberal Zionists who don’t want to see a genocide
The alternative interpretation of this sentence, that they don't want to see a genocide but they don't mind if it happens where they don't see it, is also true.
They really managed to do worse than their earlier "This doesn’t mean I oppose resistance to genocide, this means I have expectations towards resistance groups."
Could you elaborate? Does that mean that Israelis shoot rockets at themselves?
Yes, if you read the comment you're replying to...
I do understand what you mean, however the attempted genocide that christians, jews and muslims are doing to each other is much older than any of that.
Incorrect and also hasbara. This is an ahistorical orientalist fabrication that is designed to obscure the very clear and obvious colonial nature of "Israel".
Do you really not understand that Hamas did not exist before the genocide of Palestinians started? They cannot have provoked this in any way, as you repeatedly have attempted to imply with your arguments that this is different from the Holocaust.
The "Israelis" are colonizers. Not a single acre of the land they live on is rightfully theirs. It's all stolen, except maybe a very, very small minority of Jews who lived there prior to the colonization AND consider themselves "Israelis" now AND still live on their ancestral properties, but even they still benefit from the colonialism.
I'm not misinterpreting what you said. It's just that what you said doesn't actually make sense the way you think it does, because you think (incorrectly) that this is a thousand year old religious conflict. That's orientalist propaganda designed to make you support the existence of "Israel".
In reality, where this is not a thousand year conflict but a hundred year colonization and genocide, the only way what you said makes any sense is if the Jews didn't fight back. Because Hamas is fighting back and you are arguing it's different from the Jewish reaction to the Holocaust. The Jews did fight back. It's not different.
Edit: I just realized this is a 10 hour old comment I replied to in the parallel thread.
The internet is awesome. You can discuss genocides with someone who named himself after an dictator who did several genocides! Who has a picture of this dictactor in his profile! And this guy is attacking others for “defense of genocide”! Great invention this internet thingy!
We have found the most historically literate feddit user.
I do understand what you mean, however the attempted genocide that christians, jews and muslims are doing to each other is much older than any of that.
Incorrect and also hasbara. This is an ahistorical orientalist fabrication that is designed to obscure the very clear and obvious colonial nature of "Israel".
What you do not see is that we don’t truly disagree
We do disagree. Your entire view of the so-called "conflict" is based on zionist lies, which is why you can never meaningfully oppose it no matter how much you think you do.
I don't think you have bad intent here, but I think Riverside didn't like the implication that "deep political discussions" are necessary to understand that "Israel/Palestine" is in fact "the colonial genocide of Palestinians by Israel". I think that's fair. It's OK to not want to discuss politics online, but you don't need "deep discussions" to know that colonialism is always wrong.
I’m completely aware that this originally started with the zionist invasion of palestine in the early 20th century.
From your other comment next to this one...
“The Jews never fought back” is not what I said. Again, you intentionally try to misinterpret what I said. I was specifically talking about the time before the Holocaust even started, there was no reason for Germans to fear Jewish people, as they were just normal people.
That's a fair answer. And when was Hamas founded? By comparing those two dates, you can see that it's actually the same as Jews fighting back against the Holocaust.
I’ve never said that the people resisting their genocide were wrong to do it. You’re intentionally misinterpreting what I’m saying.
No, I'm really not. You're all over this thread repeating hasbara lies about Hamas and misrepresenting the history of "Israel" in comparison to the history of the Holocaust (you correctly include the Warsaw Ghetto in the Holocaust but appear to think the Nakba isn't relevant).
You might actually have convinced yourself that this is principled and nuanced anti-zionism, but it's not. You are being a zionist and I urge you to reconsider your positions on this.
I don’t disagree with you, that’s why I tried to explain the nuance, but apparently I failed, I’m sorry about that.
You didn't fail to explain what you mean, I understood that. Where you failed is that you are, knowingly or unknowingly, manufacturing nuance that does not exist.
I want to clarify that I was being extremely sarcastic in that comment. I was mocking the anti-"tankie" user for saying "follow the rules and be nice" but doing "downvote people with your alt account".