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  • Hmm. Long term is a more difficult constraint.

    I think short term can be just as effective at damaging Musk.

    It's hard to be mobile with deflated tyres.

    Even just a dirty windshield and rear camera (on the top of the tailgate) will reduce Tesla share price without running the risk of a prison sentence.

  • As you are responding to one of my posts I should clarify my position.

    They're arguing that it's China's fault and not Trump's. For that to be the case it 'must' be a lab leak.

    Zoonotic or lab origin, the outbreak still occurred in China. Fault is only important to reduce further occurrences. Better wet market policies and tighter lab rules can be implemented simultaneously, worldwide without any blame being assigned.

    The appalling US response to covid is fully Trumps fault.

    The change in the .gov address is designed to compliment the tariffs and anger China.

    The reason to highlight the possible lab origin was because original investigations and papers erroneously claimed that a lab origin was not plausible and any discussion about lab origins was censored as being a conspiracy theory.

    That censorship is still occurring.

  • The closest sample [BatCoV RaTG13] is a 96.1% match and was collected 7 years and 1000km away from the wuhan outbreak.

    Positive cultures were found in the wet market, but the origin is not confirmed to be zoonotic. Neither bats nor pangolins were being sold at the market. The virus could have arrived there on the shoe of a lab worker.

  • The team noted that there was no way to establish that the animals were infected with SARS-CoV-2. Even if they were infected, they could have caught the infection from a person who brought the virus to the market,

  • The problem with conspiracy theories is they're non-falsifiable.

    Disagree. Some conspiracies can be proven with evidence. E.g. Watergate.

    The virus had to come from somewhere. Finding a zoonotic trail of evidence (or at least a partial one) adds weight to a natural origin. There is lots of opportunity for new evidence to naturally come to light.

    On the lab leak side evidence has already been destroyed by the Chinese government. New evidence is unlikely to surface naturally.

    So lack of evidence on the zoonotic side gradually moves the balance of probability towards a lab leak.

    The general public is unlikely reach certainty about either scenario. I bet the Chinese government has a certain answer.

  • Gain of function research is the cornerstone of molecular biology.

    Wow. That's a bold strategy for a debate. Let me try and unpack the logic.

    • Gain of function research is the cornerstone of molecular biology.
    • Research into deadly viruses is molecular biology.
    • Scientists not be doing their job properly if they were not trying to breed the deadliest, most infectious diseases possible.

    Well, your strategy could be considered a success. You've convinced me not to argue with you any further.

  • This nature article has the title

    Wuhan lab samples hold no close relatives to virus behind COVID

    But you previously claimed

    All sequence data, wild type virus, and previous research history clearly show this virus existed in nature

    Which is it?

  • All sequence data, wild type virus, and previous research history clearly show this virus existed in nature

    This is an exaggeration. There was a strain logged that was 96% similar (BatCoV RaTG13) but this lacked the proteins at the S1/S2 furin cleavage site.

    This is NOT a man made virus

    But it could be a man influenced virus.

    we will have no R&D to lean on LIKE WE DID FOR THE COVID19 VACCINE

    Vaccine research does not require gain of function studies.

  • It is obvious and clear that the critical sequences responsible for the jump to humans exist in wild type form in nature.

    In theory. In practice no evidence of these stages has been found.

    However it would be feasible to simulate the conditions required in a lab environment.

    Controlled funding for gain of function research does not mean all lab work should stop.

  • All of your comments are naive and ignorant and have no factual basis.

    Quite the opposite. I quoted others and provided sources.

    In fact, I’ve pointed out specific quotes in your own references that prove you completely wrong.

    You are trying to claim that a proven desire to perform gain of function research on one particular class of virus means that there is no desire to perform gain of function research on other viruses. That is naive and ignorant.