Skip Navigation

InitialsDiceBearhttps://github.com/dicebear/dicebearhttps://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/„Initials” (https://github.com/dicebear/dicebear) by „DiceBear”, licensed under „CC0 1.0” (https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/)F

F_State

@ F_State @midwest.social

Posts
28
Comments
511
Joined
5 mo. ago

  • Workers and the Vanguard have different class interests

    Jump

  • Historically vanguards derive power thru the threat of violence. Sure, for a vanguard to initially gain power, some level of popular support is important. But often the opposition to the bourgeois is more important than actual embrace of the vanguard. And once the full might of the state is in their control, with it's propaganda and threat of violence, a mandate from workers becomes unimportant.

  • Workers and the Vanguard have different class interests

    Jump

  • systemically impossible to manipulate or censor

    I hope you have some ideas because I have serious doubts that's possible in any political/economic system.

  • Workers and the Vanguard have different class interests

    Jump

  • It's in the interests of the Vanguard for Revolution to never end. I consider it unlikely that they would willingly transition.

  • Workers and the Vanguard have different class interests

    Jump

  • I got plenty of criticism for everyone who needs it, not sparing anyone. And the communists I see shitting on anarchists in the Fediverse are frequently also the ones calling for leftist solidarity.

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

    Jump

  • Tankies are people who justify state violence to enforce political orthodoxy. You have more in common with the Right Wing than the Left, bud.

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

    Jump

  • Marxists-Leninism doesn't attract people whose disposition is towards a stateless society. They may offer a vague "some day", but all their effort is in the opposite direction.

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

    Jump

  • You make it sound like no one else fought against the Fascists.

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

    Jump

  • "OUR glorious Ministry of Truth has determined that their hated Ministry of Truth is full of lies. Our glorious ministry of truth also assures us that they never lie."

    Sure, bud.

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

    Jump

  • overly focusing your ire on these left wing governments

    We complain all day long about the US but occasionally complain about countries and some of those other countries are ostensibly Left Wing. That MLs consider that "overly focusing" is everything wrong with their political movement in a nutshell. That people will call out any bullshit they see is unfathomable.

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

    Jump

  • Some people just have a Right Wing mindset. They're drawn to concepts like loyalty & obedience to authority and gravitate to political doctrines that stress those values. If Communism makes economic sense to you but you're politically uncomfortable with shallow/non-existent hierarchies or don't feel that everyday people can be trusted with political power you gravitate towards being a ML. If you're willing to force those views on others by threat of state violence you're now a Tankie.

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

    Jump

  • I find myself endless reminding people that there isn't always a "good guy". Sometimes it's bad guys vs bad guys or bad guys vs worse guys.

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

    Jump

  • supporting imperialists

    What part of opposing hierarchies equates in your mind to supporting extreme examples of hierarchies?

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

    Jump

  • How socialist is a system that crushes the working class beneath it's boot heel, though? Is that really the working class seizing the means of production because that just seems like someone else beating us to the punch and becoming our new overlords.

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

    Jump

  • So it boils down to "at least the trains run on time"?

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

    Jump

  • me and the other libs

    Is this a parody?

  • Workers and the Vanguard have different class interests

    Jump

  • It doesn't help the working class if a different group like the Vanguard seize them instead.

  • Deleted

    stethoscope theory

    Jump

  • Then do some thinking. You're clearly not processing what's being said. A whole bunch of different people with different beliefs that believed in No Kings all literally sat on the Left side of the room. A whole bunch of people who believed in kings and tradition sat on the Right side of the room. Literally. Physically sat there on different sides of the room. How complicated is that?

  • Workers and the Vanguard have different class interests

    Jump

  • If the Vanguard seize the means of production, then the Working class still need to seize the means of production or we're still at square one.

  • Deleted

    stethoscope theory

    Jump

  • This looks like something a centrists dreamed up. Or someone who had their view of the Left warped and poisoned by Bolsheviks