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  • California introduces age verification law for all operating systems, including Linux and SteamOS — user age verified during OS account setup

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  • Sorry it is really hard to understand what you are arguing here.

    If you don't want your info (whether you are an adult a teen or a child) to be shared with "owners of apps that are on the Epstein list", then don't install those apps. There is nothing in this law requiring you to download any particular app.

    If an app were sending this data to a third party, like palantir, then they would be in direct violation of this law.

    If you were expecting to be able to leave decisions about your personal privacy and security to any governing body then you are in for a sore awakening. You should be well aware of how privacy and security are things that we have to take personal responsibility for.

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  • I agree until this law there was no reason for my os to know my age. This law creates that reason.

    Any law can be bad if we take into account the imagined future possibilities. Should we outlaw electricity because it might be used in some way to make nukes?

    If lawmakers try to issue further requirements for ID or facial scans then we can fight that. But until then there is nothing in this law that affects me outside of needing to enter a number less than 2005 when I setup my OS.

    If you don't have any kids then you literally can't be fined under this law.

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  • No... The law literally says that if you make a good faith effort then you are not liable.

    An operating system provider or a covered application store that makes a good faith effort to comply with this title, taking into consideration available technology and any reasonable technical limitations or outages, shall not be liable for an erroneous signal indicating a user’s age range or any conduct by a developer that receives a signal indicating a user’s age range.

    Also the 2500$ is only for negligent violations.

    Look, I don't want linux to leave Cali. I have primarily used linux for the past 8 years and have no desire to use windows anymore than I have to. But, as you said, the linux community throwing their hands up and deciding to exit Cali and Colorado is just playing right into Microsoft's desires.

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  • The law actually has a specific provision preventing both os providers and developers from sending your information to whoever they want.

    And the OS is only allowed to send the minimum information that is required. Ie. your age bracket.

    Send only the minimum amount of information necessary to comply with this title and shall not share the digital signal information with a third party for a purpose not required by this title.

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  • I mean yea. If you don't make a good faith effort to implement this age attestation page and api to allow apps to pull from it. Then yes. You would be liable.

    You could of course decide to not provide to residents of California and Colorado. No one is forcing you to provide for either of these states.

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  • There is not requirement in the bill to prevent users in specific age brackets from accessing certain content or applications.

    It simply defines that a method for age attestation (not verification) must exist and that the age bracket data be made available to apps and appstores.

    The people who decide what age brackets can access would be the appstores and the developers.

    I will concede that using the word "controls" for the OS provider could be misunderstood. What I would assume is that they are meaning control as in the person/entity that provides updates for the system. Ie, MS, Apple, Linux Foundation, Canonical, etc.

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  • ... That is literally what this law does.

    When a parent creates the account for their child they specify the age. If the parent decides to lie or circumvent the system and it affects their child then they would be fined.

    Just to be clear the law itself says absolutely nothing about actually verifying the age.

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  • I haven't seen any devs in the linux space actually write about a real solution but my guess is likely not. Since the law specifies that users are "children".

  • California introduces age verification law for all operating systems, including Linux and SteamOS — user age verified during OS account setup

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  • Are they? The law effectively only applies penalties to the parents. If you have not ready the law I highly recommend it. It is very short and says nothing about actually verifying the age of the user. It is equivalent of entering your age on steam or the "are you 18+" questions.

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  • I think people are down voting you since they actually have not read the law themselves and don't realize that the law itself says nothing about actually verifying that the age is correct. It is no more than what you said, like steam asking your birthdate before you look at certain games in the store.

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  • The point of it is actually the exact opposite. With this law the parent would set the age of their child. And if they decide to lie and their child is affected then they could be fined.

    The other thing it does is if a platform decides to ignore the age range of a user and it affects a child then they could be fined. But as long as they do best effort then it really only affects the parents.

    It also prevent platforms from requesting additional ID verification unless they have confidence that the age bracket of that user is incorrect.

  • An upcoming California law requires operating system providers to enforce basic mandatory age verification

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  • I mean you can. They only get fined for children affected by violations of the law. Soooo...

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  • The point isn't to verify your age the point is to have the account holder (the parent) attest to the age of the user (their child). If the parent lies and it negatively impacts the child then the parent can be fined.

    It also penalizes apps that see the user's age is in a lower bracket and still shows them sensitive content.

    There is a huge fascist issue everywhere in the US. SV is not special in that respect.

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  • Thanks for putting this here. Kinda getting sick of people that only read the headlines or have only seen the Lunduke journal video that has so many clear inaccuracies.

    The laws aren't perfect but they do have some nice protections for the users as you mention.

    The only thing that I think is missing is that developers are restricted from collecting additional information but the OS providers are not, at least as far as I understand from reading the California law. At the very least, they still have the restriction on using the information in other places or sending it to third parties.

    I posted this in another thread but I'll repeat it here. I think it is shortsighted that some linux distros are taking the kneejerk reaction of leaving/banning California residents. We need to band together and figure out a solution.

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  • I mean sure, if you ignore the 2 words just before what you quoted.

    "distributes and facilitates the download of applications from third-party developers".

    I don't know that I would consider curl as "distributing" software. But as always it depends on how the court interprets it.

    Full section for context:

    (e) (1) “Covered application store” means a publicly available internet website, software application, online service, or platform that distributes and facilitates the download of applications from third-party developers to users of a computer, a mobile device, or any other general purpose computing that can access a covered application store or can download an application.

    (2) “Covered application store” does not mean an online service or platform that distributes extensions, plug-ins, add-ons, or other software applications that run exclusively within a separate host application.

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  • I can sympathize with parents that don't have time or don't know that the tools exist. But this law (in theory) isn't affected by that.

    The screen is displayed to the parent on account setup so they don't need to know it is there because it will be right in front of them.

    Screen limits are not required by this law at all and are not even mentioned. This is just to keep children from accessing aps that says they are not for children. Ie. Facebook asks the users age range (<16 in this example). Then blocks the user since they are not 16+. Not sure why a child would need FB for school work so they should not be affected.

    There is no clause requiring or providing an approval from parents. So if there is then that is the OS's fault.

    I theory the parents don't need to setup controls per app because it is FB deciding what age brackets are allowed. And if they include the kids one and the child gets hurt online then FB would be liable. Not the parent.

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  • I'm sorry that you have to deal with that. IDs should be as easy as reasonable to get. (fucking SAVE act).

    You are right, this could be used as a stepping stone towards gathering IDs and the deanonymization of the internet. We (Cali residents) need to make sure that we contact our reps and are heard. Voice our concerns with this law in its current form and that we will be up in arms if they go any closer towards ID verification being required.

    It depends on how the system is implemented. It is entirely possible that MS will implement it with ID verification or face scans, since the law does not forbid them from doing that. But that is why the open source community/linux foundation need to make sure that we put forward a reasonable solution rather than just "forcing" users in Cali to go back to using windows.

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  • Just to reiterate I do not think this law is good and I would get rid of it in an instant but...

    I don't really see this as a law to protect children. I see this as a law that focuses on the parents. The parents become liable under this law if they circumvent the system and their child is hurt. If developers decide to flaunt this law and ignore the signals then they would be liable.

    So if you don't have children this law should effectively not affect you other than you might need to choose which age bracket you are in. Which sounds like such a small price to pay for making parents take responsibility over their children on the internet.

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  • I'd love for you to go into more detail on how this is surveillance since that seems to be your main concern.

    The law does not require providing IDs or face scans or any other identifiable information. There are clauses in the law limiting where the data gets sent to and that if data does need to be sent then it is the minimum that is necessary.

    The law only requires that an account holder "indicate[s] the birth date, age, or both, of the user of that device". Outside of the abstract the law not once mentions any type of verification that must happen.

    Also it's a California law. It doesn't affect anyone outside of Cali so if you are affected take it up with your os provider or fork your distro.