I advocate for logical and consistent viewpoints on controversial topics. If you're looking at my profile, I've probably made you mad by doing so.
(WEEKLY) I'd Like You To Trauma Dump
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This weekly thread will focus on Traumas That Shaped You / Trauma Dumping. The definition we will use for this discussion is here along with some real-world examples, but I want to stress that I am requesting these stories, and it's not negative in any way.
**Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all o
Ohhhh, THERE'S the boner! Thanks bro.
Mostly acid reflux, I fear.
I haven't been pumped for a specific contestant on the show like this since Noel Fielding.
Yeah, it's a pretty dumb slang.
You know some people say they have an automatic reaction to the word "moist"? I have that with the slang above.
What an odd thing to display. I wonder what their reasoning is for this?
Ooh, would you happen to know whereabouts? I can't seem to locate it. Sorry...
Sure! So, for example, our current weekly topic and this new topic by a user have been downvoted by user named @Pfeffy@lemmy.world. Looking around, there's a few others within they've downvoted as well with no upvotes anywhere. Checking the modlog shows they've been banned from other communities for vote manipulation as well (among other things). They don't need to be able to do this.
Checking older posts, I see that someone named @corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca had gone in and downvoted dozens of things with no upvotes. Nearly every topic we had at the time, in fact (or at least as many as I looked at). This is not only against community rules, but it's a pretty shit thing to do.
We've also got old blank accounts like @arnacre@lemmy.world and @lanky@feddit.nl with zero posts or anything of any kind downvoting. They're not contributing anything anywhere, so they don't need to be there at all.
That's just a few examples, but there's more.
WOW. Community mods can now see votes and I can now verify things I've been suspecting for a long time. There's a ton of non-posting users going into the community and downvoting every topic in it.
Does anyone know how we can ban someone from a community for vote manipulation if they've never posted there?
Not disagreeing with anything you said and enjoyed your perspective, but just wanted to add a personal thought to the end.
I don't believe that hate speech can survive in a well-behaved logical discussion because most hate speech isn't logical. This is one reason I feel you should never ban or even discourage discussion. If you figure out the hows and whys of someone you see as hateful, you can often expose and dismantle their faulty reasoning. If we can't logically describe why an idea is bad instead of relying on personal morality-du-jour, then we are relying on faith, not intellect. Faith can not be relied upon for logical guidance because it is blind and often astoundingly stupid. Banning offensive speech as a blanket to extinguish thought is how churches (past and present) deal with dissension and detractors; it used to be immoral and offensive to be against God or interpretations of the higher-up holy rollers, and is still considered so in some countries.
(RULES) What is this community?
Edited for clarity.
(WEEKLY) The Future Of The USA
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This weekly thread will focus on The Future Of The USA. You may not be American (I'm sure not), but what happens with America can impact the world.
Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):
Broadly speaking, I think you're correct. I found a massive disconnect between how I operate when discussing online vs. how other people seem to, and it drives me bonkers. My response was why I began this Community in the first place. The only way you can realistically "win" is to make yourself better. If the other people in the discussion are focused on defeating you instead, then they've already lost at the outset.
When I discuss things online, I can’t even partially understand how people don’t want to have a more cohesive / logically sound opinion. You'd want to be more informed about a topic and smarter overall, wouldn't you? I'm happy when I'm proven wrong because it means I'm now a better, smarter person and that is a massive win.
I agree that you should be trying to understand people. After all, if you're potentially looking to change a mind, you can only do it once you understand them and can speak to the underlying issues with their argument.
I am fine with hate speech existing as long as it's in a space that it can also be safely dismantled. If they're free to speak, so are those that can utterly demolish that speech. If either drops their poop and then refuses to engage, that's when I have a problem. If you look at where things fall apart in most online discourse, it has to do with the terminology they use. Each "side" of an issue has their own version of terms, and pretend that their opponent is using the same terminology they are.
To quote myself in a previous weekly thread:
Some of those issues are persistent in Lemmy to this day and are things I tried to add rules against in the sidebar. Things like:
- Calling someone dumb for bringing forth a logical opinion. No discussion, no “here’s where things fall apart” or “here’s why that isn’t applicable to the situation”, simply “lol fuck u, ur dum.” Or as with modern social media, a drive-by downvote. Most often in the forum days, this would come from someone who you’d recognize as being very opinionated, but not intelligent or self-aware enough to articulate why they felt a certain way. We’ve got tons of threads on this community where bad logic is called out, then the person downvotes and doesn’t comment further. My feeling is that this is because they don’t want to be wrong, so they don’t engage. They internalize the idea that their opponent must just be stupid, and walk away.
- You can be right for the wrong reasons, and wrong for the right reasons. There are tons of examples. You do not have to disagree with someone in order to point out that their reasoning sucks.
- Your morals are not an argument. You can use how you arrived at those morals, but not the morals themselves. Your morals are not logic and apply only to your outlook.
- It’s okay to be wrong. It’s downright awesome to become smarter due to someone correcting you or providing newer / more accurate information. You shouldn’t argue from a position of “I’m right, let me convince you.” Instead we should approach things from “This is how I arrived at this position. Are you able to articulate why I’m incorrect in believing this?”
Things at present remind me of my high school days and that “shut up nerd” culture that the jocks were stereotyped to have. Everyone thinks they have the moral high ground. Everyone thinks their position is the most defensible. Everyone feels they are better than their out group.
(Also, fantastic job sticking to the posting guidelines! Wanna be a mod?)
The URL on the image is wrong. It is: https://cooperateforcanada.ca/
You sound exactly like the kind of person I want in my community: !actual_discussion@lemmy.ca
Check the sidebar to see if it suits you too!
You sound exactly like the kind of person I want in my community: !actual_discussion@lemmy.ca
Check the sidebar to see if it suits you too!
Voted! Not waiting this time.
All good! That's what I get for putting it off.
I quite like the winning English song. The other two I have a viscerally negative reaction to though...
As someone from the rest of the world it's absolutely wild that your politicians get to do this and everyone else just has to sit there and listen to them.
Dang, thought I'd have more time to vote.
Huh. That kinda seems dumb. You should be able to clear and fence off an area and it should remain cleared. At worst, it should be an option when you make a game / server.
Thanks for the reply!
(WEEKLY) Bad Mechanics In Otherwise Great Games
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We're testing the waters with the new influx of people to see if this is valuable or not. We are also actively seeking moderators and people who enjoy discussion (and understand that being wrong is an important part of being a better person)! Send me a message if you'd like to help out.
This weekly thread will focus on games (board or video) that are fantastic, but have one extremely annoying aspect that doesn't fit, doesn't make sense, or makes the game worse.
No starters this time as there's tons of examples. Let me know yours and maybe what you did as a workaro
(WEEKLY) Political Purity Testing
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We're back! We're testing the waters with the new influx of people to see if this is valuable or not. We are also actively seeking moderators and people who enjoy discussion (and understand that being wrong is an important part of being a better person)! Send me a message if you'd like to help out.
This weekly thread will focus on Political Purity Testing. The definition we will use for this discussion is here along with some real-world examples.
The attitude can essentially be summed up with "If you're n
(WEEKLY) Help Us Fix Weekly Topics
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This weekly thread will focus on Helping Us Fix Weekly Topics. This Community seems to have a problem. I generally do my best to create open-ended topics that don't lead the reader to respond in any specific way, all while providing what I think are interesting starters. I've purposely picked other moderators that do not think the same as I do on many topics, but have the skill to explain why they feel the way they do. Results of all of this seem to be extremely limited.
If I try and introduce some opinion in a topic for people to pick at (even if I don't b
Banning Spree?
I tend to browse /All and by New on Lemmy. I went to respond on a thread on !vegan@lemmy.world to thank someone for a recipe that looked good, and found out I had been banned.
Odd, considering I hadn't posted to that sub at any point in the past. I checked the modlog to find that "Mod" had banned a bunch of people citing "Rule 5."
Their Rule 5 states: Bad-faith carnist rhetoric & anti-veganism are not allowed, as this is not a space to debate the merits of veganism. Anyone is welcome here, however, and so good-faith efforts to ask questions about veganism may be given their own weekly stickied post in the future (see current stickied discussion).
I (and hundreds of others) seemingly broke rule 5 of this community without ever posting there. What is going on?
And my apologies if this isn't the place for this, but I had no idea where else to post the question.
(WEEKLY) Why are people so goddamn bad at discussion?
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This weekly thread will focus on debate, discussion, and the lack thereof on social media (including Lemmy).
My apologies for "leading" a bit more than I try to normally in these weekly threads, however this is a topic that pisses me off in particular. Not only as a mod of a discussion-based community, but as someone who loves it when someone challenges me and proves me wrong / disproves my logic so I'd very much like to hear outside opinions on the topic. I can't even partially understand how people don't want to have a more cohesive / logically sound opinion.
**Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any
(WEEKLY) Words, Words, Words
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This weekly thread will focus on words, their import, and their use / misuse.
With respect to the late, great George Carlin.
Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):
(RULES) What is this community?
First and foremost, let me say that I appreciate you actually engaging in a real discussion on Lemmy!
WHY?
This Community was made in response to the rest of Lemmy and the way many otherwise interesting discussion threads fall apart into downvoting, groupthink, and burying of posts composed by people asking for clarification or looking to understand the reasoning behind things.
We don’t like people making baseless accusations; we defend people on all sides when people are wrong about their opposition. We don't appreciate it when people think they know what others think and project incorrect (and often evil) bullshit on each other. We dislike people being wilfully wrong because their group fetishizes a certain angle of the truth instead of the boring reality of the situation.
It is important to maintain solid reasoning and conclusions, not just one or the other.
Ideas, word definitions, and discussion are important. We don’t feel we can get out of the current slump we’re
(CMV) Veganism
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I felt we should start in earnest with something I've seen repeatedly in other threads on Lemmy - veganism. I've tried to have discussions on it elsewhere, but they tend to heavily downvote me when I describe the complex communication systems plants and fungi have.
I am not arguing that you should not be a vegan or vegitarian. I am arguing against poor and misapplied arguments and would like converts to channel their energy into more productive approaches.
PREFACE
There are many sources and studies claiming how plants communicate via root systems, pheromones, and other mechanisms (some we’re discovering continua
Actual Discussion - A place to talk like people
Are you tired of going into controversial threads and having people not discuss things, circlejerking, or using emotional responses in place of logic? Us too. Welcome to Actual Discussion! DO: - Be civil. This does not mean you shouldn’t challenge people, just don’t be a dick about it. - Upvote inte...
#What do you want to talk about?
We're brand new, but I hope you'll have a word or two. Looking for mods who can write and love discussing a variety of topics!
(OTHER) Why make this community?
First and foremost, let me say that I appreciate you actually engaging in a real discussion on Lemmy!
Why did I make this community? Well, mostly in response to the rest of Lemmy and the way many otherwise interesting discussion threads fall apart into downvoting and groupthink.
I don’t like people making baseless accusations and defend people on all sides when people are wrong about their opposition. I hate it when people think they know what others think and project incorrect (and often evil) bullshit on each other. It’s important to maintain solid reasoning and conclusions, not just one or the other.
I hate people being wilfully wrong because their group fetishizes a certain angle of the truth instead of the boring reality of the situation.
Ideas are important and I don’t feel we can get out of the current shitty slump we’re in with political discourse unless we are able to clearly articulate ourselves and discuss the world we're in.
So let's talk like people. What do you want