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Admiral Patrick @dubvee.org

Shutting Down on July 31. This fediverse experiment was a failure.

End of the road. Wish I could say it's been a fun trip, but that would be a lie. Running this instance started out as a fun project, but it has been nothing but a nightmare for a long, long time. I'm looking forward to the freedom I will have after being shackled to this mess for the last two years.

This instance is shutting down for good on 7/31/2025.

If you want exports of anything, let me know. After that, I'm pulling the SSDs and going full Office Space on them.

Edit 07/12/25: Thank you all for the kind words, understanding, and appreciation. While I have been consumed by the negativity here, I never forgot about the positives. Unfortunately, the negatives can and do become overwhelming.

If you appreciate what I've been trying to do, then please do not let the efforts die with my departure. The toxicity I've described cannot be solved by any individual alone and requires a group effort.

  • Don't engage with those acting in bad faith or just trying to get a rise out of people. This is basically "don't feed the trolls" but sometimes the trolls are subtle.
  • Don't let emotion cloud your logic and try to remain rational. Always try to see the bigger picture and keep that in focus. Context matters. Ramifications of actions matter.
  • When you see people calling for violence, ask yourself "And then what happens?" Because it's most definitely not going to be "we all join hands in a circle, a rainbow appears overhead, and the world is saved".
  • On the same note, a large percentage of those calling for violence don't even live here. They're just trying to rile people up or spread chaos by feeding on our pent-up anger.
  • There are very few absolutes in this world, but people around here love to speak in them. If someone only speaks in absolutes, then they're missing most of the picture which is in the middle. Beware of those people.
  • If you see someone twisting what other people are saying just so they can attack them, please report them. This is a common form of trolling/harassment which is often difficult for mods to detect without personally investing themselves in every conversation thread. This often manifests as "Oh, so you think X, so you must think Y" where Y = an absolutely insane jump in logic. Then they attack the person as if they had said Y with other people dog-piling on afterward.
  • Admins: Please, please start clamping down on extremism and general toxicity. No psychopath, racist, etc has ever come back from a temp ban a better person. Force these unhinged people back to the fringe instances and defederate from those.
  • Most importantly: be good to one another. At the end of the day, we all have more in common than we differ.

Original plea below, though it's superseded by the above.

I'm gonna get right to the point: I'm burnt out, I kind of hate this place, and I really don't want to be here anymore.

I started it not because I kept getting banned from elsewhere but because I wanted to do and be part of something better. Well, two years in, and I cannot say this place is any better, just differently bad if not worse. Too many people here seem to think that because it's not "corpo social media" that anything goes, and boy do some people really run with that.

The average Lemming has the nuance of a wrecking ball and the maturity of a junior high edge lord, and trying to keep the peace here has become more than what I want to deal with. The worst part is that they're so caught up in their own self-righteousness that they can't see they're just as bad or worse than what they're spewing violent rhetoric at; trying to talk sense into anyone or de-escalate things is immediately met with "bootlicker", wild accusations, and/or worse.

I need help. Well, really, Lemmy needs help, professional help, but barring that, then I need some more referees to keep this place under control.

This instance has a mission, and I am no longer able to deal with the volume of toxic shitheads who do nothing but call for violence, take people out of context and jump to insane conclusions, and just act like petulant fucking children. Seriously, the demographic here is disgusting and needs to grow the hell up.

So this is it: Either some people step up and help to keep this place sane, or I'm shutting it down. Clock is ticking

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  • I'm sorry to hear about this and wish you the best in your next endeavours.

    I'm curious, will this be the end of Tesseract too?

    • Yes, sadly

      https://github.com/asimons04/tesseract

      Best of luck from me aswell!

      • Well, shit

        • [This wasn't the final straw, but it was one of a few factors that caused me to finally commit to the decision to shut down and leave this place and everything associated with it, including Tesseract.]

          While I understand the raison d'etre for YPTB, in practice, it's largely a place for shitheads to spin narratives, throw out wild accusations/jump to conclusions, and harass mods.

          I blocked (LW) / administratively removed (local instance) YPTB long before I started showing up there and only happened on a couple of posts recently because some shitheads decided to @ me to try to goad me (mentions from blocked communities still come through in notifications). That's to say it's not because I'm being thin-skinned here.

          Word of advice: There are bad mods, sure, but most aren't. If you don't want even more of the rational people burning out and bailing, then that community needs reined the fuck in to only verifiable information. Some of those rational people also may be developers who contribute to the platform, BTW.

          Shut down any posts/comments that cherry-pick interactions, spin narratives about the mods or the perceived rationale for the actions taken, present things out of context, and/or submissions that are "gotchas" where the OP goaded the mod into something (and often comes in presenting it out of context).

          And if people are frequent flyers to that community, maybe they're the problem or are just trolls stirring up shit to post there.

          Allowing a place to harass mods (I know jordan lund gets a regularly scheduled 15-minutes of hate) should be censure-worthy.

          🫵 You know damn well we're all volunteers here, with lives, and are just doing our best to try to keep our spaces in order, welcoming, on topic, and fair to as many people as possible.

    • Thanks, appreciate it.

      I'm curious, will this be the end of Tesseract too?

      Yes, unless someone wants to fork it and maintain it. I'm done with Lemmy and everything associated with it. https://dubvee.org/post/3790890

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