"You capture the Soviet Union --I'm going to capture the states."-Thomas Roe to fellow Heritage Foundation member Robert Krieble.

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Roe created the State Policy Network in 1992.

TIL that Krieble funded the first of its kind Russian corporation for cooperation between Russia and U.S. businesses in 1991

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"You capture the Soviet Union --I'm going to capture the states."-Thomas Roe to fellow Heritage Foundation member Robert Krieble.

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Best thing that can happen is the Heritage Foundation, and all members for the last 25 years, get labeled as domestic terrorists and sent to an El Salvadorian prison.
Their good book still has the eye for an eye clause, let's use it. Thoughts and prayers and such.
Besides, the only way to ensure tolerance is not to tolerate intolerance.
- for anyone who's curious, here's a list of businesses i know to be associated with the heritage foundation:
  chik-fil-a
  tractor supply
  hobby lobby
  rural king
  exxonmobile
  anheiser-coors
  
  Yeah the Coors family is deep in the shit.
  The source watch page for State Policy Network donors is crazy, and not even that up to date, so I'm sure probably way more by now. Of course the Coors family is included:
  https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SPN_Funding
  But public documents discovered by the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) reveal that SPN is largely funded by global corporations -- such as Reynolds American, Altria, Microsoft, AT&T, Verizon, GlaxoSmithKline, Kraft Foods, Express Scripts, Comcast, Time Warner, and the Koch- and Tea Party-connected DCI Group lobbying and PR firm -- that stand to benefit from SPN's agenda, as well as out-of-state special interests like the billionaire Koch brothers, the Waltons, the Bradley Foundation, the Roe Foundation of SPN's founder, and the Coors family -- who are underwriting an extreme legislative agenda that undermines the rights of Americans. Corporations like Facebook and the for-profit online education company K12 Inc., as well as the e-cigarette company NJOY (a new member of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC)), also fund SPN, as demonstrated by its most recent annual meeting.
- Including the folks who designed the ACA?
  
  Can you really credit them when they disavow it?
  "Don't Blame Heritage for ObamaCare Mandate":
  The Heritage Foundation and Stuart M. Butler oppose the individual mandate in ObamaCare.
  The idea that the individual mandate originated from the conservative Heritage Foundation is a misconception.
  While Heritage supported a version of the health insurance mandate in the 1990s, it differed significantly from the ObamaCare mandate.
  
  Name one other statement from the Heritage Foundation that you believe.
  As much as I see Obama as an over hyped neoliberal failure, I still take his word over the Heritage Foundation's.
  
  JFC Obama's point was they tried to create a policy that would still appease the Republican party ideals, which were created by the Heritage Foundation. Not that the Heritage Foundation helped create the ACA.
  So basically, they mistakenly thought the other side would see it as a compromise. That was a mistake bc if you haven't noticed you really shouldn't give these fuckers an inch bc they will always take a mile if they can.
  The ACA is imperfect, but there is no question it has improved healthcare in this country. If you disagree with that, I'm just going to assume what I already suspect, which is that you're a troll trying to push some bullshit narrative.
  I grew up in the deep south, left for college around the time ACA was passed and I was also losing my parents health insurance. I have been volunteering in a free clinic in the deep south for several years now.
  I'll try to make this as simple as I possibly can. The Heritage Foundation has been bending over backwards to end the ACA since it was first created bc they DO NOT BELIEVE HEALTHCARE IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD HAVE ANY ACCESS TO IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT.
  In the last month in particular, I have seen Medicaid programs become completely dismantled at a local level in preparation for what Republicans in Washington have been planning to do the whole fucking time.
  Do not come at me with some "all politicians are the same, there is no gray area/no such thing as just voting in your best interest/ if it's not a perfect solution it's a problem," bullshit, because I will just assume you're supporting the people that are currently in power dismantling our imperfect democracy to officially replace with an oligarchy.
  Why shouldn't they, right? It was already happening some times in some parts of the country, so why fight it? Certainly don't bother to be rational and vote in your own self interest when you have the chance. Just sit back and let the world burn until it finally consumes you.
  
  The ACA is imperfect, but there is no question it has improved healthcare in this country. If you disagree with that, I’m just going to assume what I already suspect,
  Well, I do disagree, even at the risk of being put in the little box you made for me. Not that I don't think it improved a lot of things about healthcare in this country, because it certainly did that. However, we are talking about the biggest sector of the biggest economy in the history of the world, so I think people should be a little more open to the idea that the obvious impacts from the brochure don't exactly encompass the total impact.
  The downstream impacts of pumping tons of federal funds to private insurance companies through the mandate and subsidies shouldn't be ignored. The value proposition for health insurance companies changed dramatically, as did the proposition for healthcare providers. All that cash caught Wall Street's attention. Health insurance and hospitals used to be mostly non-profit, now they are dominated by a handful of large corporations that keep consolidating. The profit motive has led to worse outcomes for patients who often dread the paperwork more than the illness. Cost controls in the ACA were weak to the point of being almost non-existent, Medical bankruptcies continued to grow after the ACA at about the same rate as before, and the gap between what Americans pay and what everyone else pays for healthcare continued to grow as well.
  My biggest objection is about why a right wing think tank would be proposing healthcare reforms at all. It wasn't because they used to care about healthcare for working class Americans and then stopped. It was because there was a rising discontent over the state of healthcare. They saw some kind of healthcare reform as inevitable, and wanted to push a plan that would do the least possible for workers, but would kill momentum for anything better. No doubt the ACA did a lot more good than they would have ever wanted, but it succeeded brilliantly in killing the momentum for more reform. Ever since the ACA was passed, we have only gone backwards. It led the movement for a better healthcare system down a dead end, and establishment Democrats, including Obama, have done everything they can to prevent any momentum for a better approach.
  Do not come at me with some “all politicians are the same
  Oh fuck, this chestnut again. When did I come at you with that, or anything like it? I know full well that the average Republican is basically Hitler. I also know full well that weak as hell Democrats have been complete failures for over 50 years, allowing the Hitlerites in the Republican party to completely dominate the US government. That right there is the worst impact of the ACA. It's just one more example of Democrats failing to do anything that might have turned the tide of rising fascism.
  
  This chestnut again? How often do you do/say this?
  The problem is not that you critiqued the ACA, the problem is you're clearly trying to spread disinformation and argue that Obama directly worked with the Heritage Foundation to create the ACA...
  Most of the giant hospital monopolies actually have nonprofit status. I have no idea why TF we allow that while not enforcing more rules on hospitals in return for that status? There are plenty of things I would change, starting with Medicaid for all, having caps on CEO/administrative salaries, and allowing doctors accepting medicaid fewer restrictions on treatment coverage. Still, I don't try to pretend that the parts I don't like are due to the Heritage Foundation being directly involved in any of it. I blame people trying too hard to compromise, but also know they did have to appease the Supreme Court, so I guess more I blame most people for trying to make things like healthcare so fucking politicized.
  There is currently a Christian group actually trying to get SC to overturn part of the ACA covering preventative care for medications they don't like. This is Heritage Foundation logic.
  
  550,000 medical bankruptcies each year, most by people with health insurance. 45,000 unnecessary deaths each year for lack of medical insurance. When the system works as designed, Americans still pay twice what other countries do for similar levels of care. A health insurance CEO was gunned down on the street and 69% of Americans put the blame on the insurance company, and 17% find the killing "acceptable". None of this is disinformation, and all of it is indefensible. Your description of it as "imperfect" is an obscenity.
  That's the state of the current system and, as I pointed out, the Democratic establishment has done everything in their power to sideline any calls to seriously reform it.
  How often do you do/say this?
  I don't know. How often do you create straw men to argue with? It's neigh impossible to criticize the Democratic establishment for anything without getting the "bOtH sIdEs" nonsense, no matter how far from it the argument actually is. It's what comes from having a Democratic party that can't credibly stand on it's own and must always fall back to "at least we're not Republicans."
  I already said that "the average Republican is basically Hitler", so I don't know why you feel the need to continue telling me how bad they are and what evil things they try to do. Still, it makes me wonder how far you think Obama would have had to compromise to get a single Republican to vote for the ACA. At the very least, Obama is guilty of insane levels of political incompetence. What kind of President loses a Supreme Court seat and barely bothers to fight for it? We are seeing now how much power a President can have if they choose to exercise it. Obama should have just put Garland on the court and challenged Congress to remove him. Congress gets to advise and consent, not sit on a nomination for over a year because they don't want to do their jobs. Instead, it took until the last year of Biden's presidency for the Democrats to stop pretending that Republicans were acting in good faith.
  I blame most people for trying to make things like healthcare so fucking politicized.
  Now, you suddenly sound like a Republican, or at the very least a clueless establishment Democrat. The word "politicized" is like the word "wizard", it's a legitimate word referring to a nonsensical concept. Nothing can be politicized because everything is already political. This is language Republicans use to make establishment Democrats run from the field of battle, and it works every single time.
  
  Ok dude, I'm not doing this. It's a free country and you're allowed to believe whatever you want. If you want to believe Obama worked with the Heritage Foundation to create the ACA, that's cool.
  If you want to use a quote taken completely out of context, to show it proves that, I'm going to assume you're trolling on behalf of the people you're pretending to despise.
  
  How often do you create straw men to argue with?
  If you want to believe Obama worked with the Heritage Foundation to create the ACA, that’s cool.
  Well, I guess that answers that.
  If you want to use a quote taken completely out of context,
  I'd argue that it wasn't taken out of context at all but, even if it were, that would be better than making an argument up for you then storming off. If you don't want to have a conversation, then don't insert yourself in one.
  I’m going to assume you’re trolling
  You do that a lot? (Yeah, I guess that one is trolling but you really worked hard for it.)
  Expecting Democrats to beat Republicans by being the lesser of two evils, or by trying to work with Republicans hasn't worked since the 90s. There is a reason that Republicans have taken over as the "party of the working class" and the party of Gen Z. The Republicans might lie constantly, but at least they talk to people instead of talking past them. Democrats forgot their core constituencies existed, so those constituencies forgot about them. The path out of this mess isn't to shake our heads and think "sure is a shame more people didn't vote Democrat", it's to push Democrats to lead with a vision that wakes people up and gets them excited to build a better country.
  I'm happy to leave it at that.

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