The Best Counter to Project 2025 Is a Progressive Project 2025

Let's pull up the history, I have this saved because I have to go over it with people:

Let's run through the recent story.

Bill Clinton: After successive losses Bill figured out "it's the economy stupid". And when you run against an incumbent (Bush senior) you run from the center. So that's what he did. And he won.

Gore: After the population hopefully warmed up with Bill Clinton, he stuck his head out left with climate change. And bam he lost the election. Thanks 3rd party protest voters!

Obama: So guess what Obama learned? Don't stick your head out. He ran on vague "hope", hoping the ambiguity would be enough considering Bush's disastrous wars. And he won.

Hillary Clinton: After the population hopefully warmed up with Obama, she stuck her head out just a tiny itty little bit left on climate change (that thing all the leftists care about right?) with the Map Room. And guess what happened? Bam she lost. Thanks protest non-voters!

On to Biden. Just like Obama learned from Gore, Biden learned from Hillary that you don't stick your head out left. And he was running against an incumbent, so once again when you do that you run center. He's actually been governing more from the left, but he ran center.

And people are amazed that they don't run an big left platform? Every time they stick their head out a little itsy bitsy tiny bit left they lose. And the next guy learns to go to the center to win.

Like I said.

So how do you get them to move left? By giving them victories. Consistent and overwhelming victories. Because when they lose, like they've lost 20 years out of the last 24 years, they will go to the center to find votes.

Sigh. That's what I'm saying. If you want a big left platform, then you have to vote for the small left platform first. No one is going to run a big left platform when the small left platform loses time and time again. Not going to happen. When the small left platform loses, they will go to the center to find voters.

And if you think you can play Mexican standoff and wait for the big left platform, I have news for you. You won't win. They will write you off as a voter and court the voters that actually show up, which is the center voter.

Funny thing about generations, they tend to change as they age. Will millenials be any different? Time will tell.

The first chance millennials really got to vote they showed up for Obama.

They showed up the first time, so year 1 and 2. Then for Obama year 3 and 4 he lost the house of reps. Then again for years 5 and 6 he lost the house of reps. Then he lost both the house of reps and the senate for years 7 and 8. Thanks voters that can't be assed to show up! So what happened? Left voters never (or rarely if you reallllly need it) show up.

And this was with even more millenials getting the vote throughout Obama's term. And. They. Didn't. Show. Up.

Sadly he was a full of shit shill working for

So what happens when you don't have all 3 houses? Congress is what has control, not the president. So Dems have to reach across the aisle. And that's what they had to do for 6 out of 8 years. Because, wait for it, the left didn't show up. And you're amazed that they had to reach across the aisle and nothing much came out of 6 years?

And to further the point, they even shut down the government under obama. Congress has control.

she decided it was her turn and in her hubris and arrogance cost us all 4 years of Trump.

So what did Hillary learn from Obama? She learned that the thanks for the ACA was losing control. Thanks left voters that don't show up! You think she's going to run a big left platform after they just lost 6 out of 8 years? The answer is no. She needs all 3 and she knows that. The GOP has now become obstructionist and she needs all 3 to pass anything. So on many items she runs center, but with a itsy bitsy left to the supposed big important issue to the left. Can't make too much of a stink about it or the right will go full blast on it, but the message to the left was clear. This is the big issue for the left, right? And for the young people, right? And for the future, right? This was the big impact, move the needle issue that intelligent people should have been all for, right? And bam she lost the election. Thanks no vote protesters! (And can't forget the voters in years 3-8 of Obama that taught her left doesn't win.)

that enough people held their noses and voted for Biden.

Two ways you can look at this. 1) He appealed to center voters, and that's what he got, and that's why he won. That's what I think happened. But if you want to run on 2) the left showed up, then hey look what's possible when the left shows up! But the lesson they learned was they win when they go center.

Now imagine what would happen if that happened every single election, every single midterm. Yeah the whole Dem party could and would move left. That's what I'm saying.

The only issue is that they have to win first, and then they can go left. They won't go left just because, out of the blue, for no reason. Because history, as I've run through a second time, show the left never shows up.

Fix the system? We all know we can't fix the electoral college or the senate. Maybe the House of reps, but that's only 1 of 3 that Dems need.

They are overwhelmingly progressive

Great. Vote first, give the Dems consistent and overwhelming victories in presidential and midterms, and then the party will cater to you. Because the history, as gone over twice, shows the left doesn't show up.

but still, the DNC chooses to run to the right…

We'll see if anything changes now that Biden drops out, but when he ran in he was running against the incumbent and when you do that you run center. And then you (usually) have that candidate for 8 years.

As for now, I doubt anyone will take the chance on letting Trump win and democracy ending, so I expect the new nominee will run center. And then maybe Trump will run again in 2028, so guess what you get another center. And then maybe Trump impersonee 2032, so again maybe no chances and center. Etc, etc. These things don't change nearly as quickly as you want them to. All because, wait for it, left voters never showed up in 2016 (and 2014, and 2012, and 2010). Plenty of millenials and even Gen Z in 2016, and they didn't show up. That was the trajectory that was decided in 2016, and momentum's a bitch.

You know what the core of this is? You are relying on, essentially, polling data on what left young people want. And I am relying on who turns out to vote. You can say "we want this" until the cows come home, it does not matter when. voters. don't. show. up. And you're not going to win a mexican standoff waiting for a big left platform. They will simply go to the center voter.

I'm saying if you want anything on the left, you need to give Dems consistent and overwhelming victories.

Oh should we discuss capitalism?

Whether you like it or not it's capitalism. You have a choice between 1) capitalism that’s free for all, fuck the workers, fuck the consumers, fuck the Earth, disband the EPA, OSHA, FTC, etc. or 2) capitalism that’s regulated, with environmental protection, worker protections, minimum wages, workplace standards, product regulations, etc. You can say those regulations aren't strong enough, but how do we get stronger regulations? The choice should be obvious.

If you want far left policy then you have to vote for a little bit left first. (I'll use those terms to get the point across.)

AKA: You have to walk before you run.

This is exactly what the GOP did, they had to vote for decades before getting what they wanted: Overturning Roe.