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"Gatekeeping" is when you don't think "Dragonfucker" is a gender

And apparently, also when you think that 'They' is a perfectly serviceable gender-neutral singular pronoun, but are willing to use other pronouns if asked to.

EDIT: Other removable offenses on Blahaj now include questioning mod/admin decisions and quoting the modlog as a reason why you're leaving.

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  • Because you were bullshitting to make yourself sound better - or feel better, whichever.

    nah change of pace. i was letting us get too into the weeds. 50% my fault.

    where any dissenting opinion on the subject is removed

    the upvote ratios don’t lie. trans people are happy with Ada. plenty of dissenting opinions there too, if you look. there’s a whole thread asking Ada to look carefully at drag’s toxic behavior for a potential ban, separate from neopronouns (incredibly enough).

    As you yourself said, any dissent on the subject is an admission to an intent to break the rules

    if you cared to remember, you would find i gave you… four? examples of ways to voice your concern about trolling while being clear you don’t intend to break rules. if you forgot, here you go no worries :)

    Block… who? The fucking admin?

    yup, and the instance. it’s clearly not for you. (meant to say downvote not report i apologize i just removed the whole thing)

    • the upvote ratios don’t lie.

      I'm pretty sure Blahaj doesn't HAVE downvotes. So, uh...

      if you cared to remember, you would find i gave you… four? examples of ways to voice your concern about trolling while being clear you don’t intend to break rules. if you forgot, here you go no worries :)

      Again, as I pointed out immediately below that, if you'll remember, three of those don't actually address the point raised. The fourth one is admissible only in a very milquetoast "I'm objecting but only a little bit 🥺" way.

      yup, and the instance.

      As I said - already done, before you even entered this conversation.

      • I’m pretty sure Blahaj doesn’t HAVE downvotes.

        There was a new update where downvotes from other instances do get federated now. At least on my instance, I can see that the comments are nowhere near as divisive as comments on other posts I have seen on Blahaj (ironically thinking of some of drag’s own posts there lol). The post itself is probably the lowest (just a tad above 50%) which makes sense since cisgender outsiders will have a propensity to downvote without opening the comments :)

        I’m objecting but only a little bit

        Sounds appropriate when the harassment of transgender people is on the line. I’m sorry you feel the need to object with vigorous abandon, but, I mean think about it, that kind of belligerent behavior isn’t going to be accepted by most mods—hardly unique to our discussion of blahaj. Again, there’s plenty of comments there asking for clarification and consideration. The ones that are up simply didn’t voice an intent to break rules.

        • There was a new update where downvotes from other instances do get federated now.

          And how does that reflect the opinions of trans Blahaj users?

          At least on my instance, I can see that the comments are nowhere near as divisive as comments on other posts I have seen on Blahaj (ironically thinking of some of drag’s own posts there lol). The post itself is probably the lowest (just a tad above 50%) which makes sense since cisgender outsiders will have a propensity to downvote without opening the comments :)

          'A tad above 50%'

          You do realize how horrible that is, ratio-wise, right?

          Sounds appropriate when the harassment of transgender people is on the line.

          Of course, if given the choice between literally validating one of the internet's 'favorite' slanders about trans folk and simply not banning people for questioning the existence of dragons, one should be as meek and mild as possible in objection to the former course being taken.

          I’m sorry you feel the need to object with vigorous abandon, but, I mean think about it, that kind of belligerent behavior isn’t going to be accepted by any mods—hardly unique to our discussion of blahaj.

          You're kidding, right?

          I've outright cussed out FlyingSquid before, for example, and FlyingSquid is rightly considered to be one of the touchier major mods around on .world. "This is absurd, dragons aren't real, this is simple stuff" as too ferocious an objection doesn't even fucking rate.

          The only mods who won't take that shit are thin-skinned or intolerant of dissent.

          The ones that are up simply didn’t voice an intent to break rules.

          Again - other than the horrible ratio of 50% you cited - why would anyone who values the community voice too strong a dissent when voicing dissent gets you removed and banned?

          • And how does that reflect the opinions of trans Blahaj users?

            Just saying how I can see the downvotes. Blahaj users (by users I mean people who browse, not registered accounts in this context) downvoted drag to fuck the other week lol.

            A tad above 50%’ You do realize how horrible that is, ratio-wise, right?

            Yeah, sorry since you are not checking the votes yourself my words aren’t clicking for you. Most of the pro-admin decision comments have a ratio above 80%. My point is that outsider votes crushed the overall post due to it showing up in r/all feeds, but the comments I am asking you to read are very supported even though downvotes are not bannable.

            and simply not banning people for questioning the existence of dragons

            Bruh. We went over this like… 4 hours ago? The existence of dragons thing is veiled language for intent to continue misgendering. Hate repeating myself.

            You’re kidding, right? I’ve outright cussed out FlyingSquid before

            … and I was permabanned by jordanlund for asking a question politely once so…? Sounds like neither of us kid and there is tremendous diversity in how mods act, and that FlyingSquid just might be more unserious than Ada.

            The only mods who won’t take that shit are thin-skinned or intolerant of dissent.

            Yup, and plenty of them are around, though I admit I spoke too broadly to say “all.” See jordanlund, above, but I will edit my comment to be less overbroad.

            Again - other than the horrible ratio of 50% you cited

            See 80%, above, or open the post yourself. I have now accomplished what I wanted from you and repeated myself a few times so I will leave it here. Go listen to trans people, or don’t that’s now your choice, but I can’t just keep relaying their words to you like this.

            • Just saying how I can see the downvotes. Blahaj users (by users I mean people who browse, not registered accounts in this context) downvoted drag to fuck the other week lol.

              Okay, but that literally has nothing to do with the point you were claiming to vindicate.

              Yeah, sorry since you are not checking the votes yourself my words aren’t clicking for you. Most of the pro-admin decision comments have a ratio above 80%.

              And Blahaj users literally can't downvote, so, uh... I don't really know what you think that proves?

              Bruh. We went over this like… 4 hours ago? The existence of dragons thing is veiled language for intent to continue misgendering. Hate repeating myself.

              'Veiled language for intent to continue misgendering'

              Jesus Christ.

              Dragons aren't real.

              A person cannot be something that is literally a fictitious creature.

              Hate repeating myself.

              … and I was permabanned by jordanlund for asking a question politely once so…? Sounds like neither of us kid and there is tremendous diversity in how mods act, and that FlyingSquid just might be more unserious than Ada.

              Or Ada is below the already-low bar of FlyingSquid's moderation, which is pretty damn low.

              • Or Ada is below the already-low bar of FlyingSquid’s moderation, which is pretty damn low.

                Oof, and there we go. “Ada is worse than the (perhaps second) most universally depised mod” from you says it all, and I’m happy we reached this conclusion.

                To sum up and end it: I don’t believe you are a transphobe, as others have unfortunately claimed.

                But you do have an inappropriate sense of entitlement to an instance owned by a trans woman.

                And, when that trans women made a decision about how to deal with harrassment on her instance, using mod action and suppression of bigoted behavior from all sides rather than allowing bigotry and misgendering, you responded with a full-force rebuke across communities against her that she did not draw the line for her community exactly where you did.

                I hope your time away from blahaj is good for you. Go and talk to trans people. Learn that most of them are so overwhelmed by harassment that they would rather have trolls banned for trolling than endlessly bullied for their gender expression in their spaces.

                You centered yourself in a space that is not yours. That’s your issue. Now it’s your responsibility to get over it.

                • But you do have an inappropriate sense of entitlement to an instance owned by a trans woman.

                  Entitlement is when you leave, I guess.

                  Let's go over the timeline, shall we?

                  1. Ada makes decision I do not agree with.
                  2. I sadpost and express my discontent with it in the same comment I express an intent to leave, neither of which are on the meta post in which the decision was announced, nor in either was Ada involved as a conversant. In fact, in the course of the sadpost, I say I understand the motivations, it's just not a place for me.
                  3. Ada removes several of those comments for dubious reasons.
                  4. I bitch about that on a comm made for bitching about mods.
                  5. I get accused of being a transphobe for not believing in dragons on said comm made for bitching about mods.
                  6. I am accused of feeling entitled to Blahaj.

                  The Tumblr defensive swarm mentality was shite there and it's shite here, and if I'd realized it was how Blahaj was going to react to people, I never would've posted there in the first place.

                  Learn to take criticism, or get off the net.

                  Please, @[email protected] outline to me how that timeline is indicative of entitlement.

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