AOC is right: Jill Stein’s campaign is not serious

www.salon.com AOC is right: Jill Stein’s campaign is not serious

For democracy’s sake, the Green Party must grow. Stein won’t do it in 2024

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently made headlines for calling perennial Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein “predatory” and “not serious.” AOC is right.

Giving voters more choices is a good thing for democracy. But third-party politics isn’t performance art. It’s hard work — which Stein is not doing. As AOC observed: “[When] all you do is show up once every four years to speak to people who are justifiably pissed off, but you're just showing up once every four years to do that, you're not serious.”

To be clear: AOC was not critiquing third parties as a whole, or the idea that we need more choices in our democracy. In fact, AOC specifically cited the Working Families Party as an example of an effective third party. The organization I lead, MoveOn, supports their 365-day-a-year efforts to build power for a pro-voter, multi-party system. And I understand third parties’ power to activate voters hungry for alternatives: I myself volunteered for Ralph Nader in 2000, and that experience helped shape my lifelong commitment to people-first politics.

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The first goal should always be to have less of a bad thing when people are involved. Right and wrong may often be black and white, our choices are rarely so simple.
We are not in a black and white situation. You can vote for a third party or use your time to do something more useful than endorsing online the red and blue party
Why don’t we push the Democrats, who currently hold the Office of the POTUS, to stop sending weapons?
They are supporting a genocide and arming israel government. These are their policies. Why don't you try to change trump policies?
It’ll go for selling a few old weapons to outright arming beyond what we’re already doing.
Israel already has same of the best weapons available. It could be worst and they could receive nukes but you seem to not realize how bad the situation already is.
Trump also has ties to Putin. Strong ones.
If this is your argument to keep voting for the red and blue party i would like to remind you that the US government under any administration cycling in power has ties with dictators around the world who are worst than putin like saudi royals.
Here at home the homeless will be in severe danger. Students and children given less rights
Endorsing the political parties that for years have enriched corporations and shit on people misery and rights doesn't seem the best way to address these problems.
Just know that after we keep the Seat of the President most of us will support you in stopping Gaza.
Who is "we"? are you a member of the democrat party? What's your plan to support the end of the genocide once elections are over?
- We are not in a black and white situation. You can vote for a third party or use your time to do something more useful than endorsing online the red and blue party
  Read what I said again. Situations themselves may be black or white, the choices we are presented with in those situations aren't always so clear cut. In this case I, and many just like me, feel the best thing we can do for the World is stop Trump and the larger GOP party. They are currently that dangerous.
  As for weapon deals:
  These are historical acts done by every President since, fuck, I'm actually not sure. It's been a hella long time though. Note though that wars and conflict have historically been supported most heavily by the Right.
  If this is your argument to keep voting for the red and blue party i would like to remind you that the US government under any administration cycling in power has ties with dictators around the world who are worst than putin like saudi royals.
  I'd like to point out I'm only interested in voting for the better potential future for all of us. If I thought Republicans were the choice I'd vote them. However, Democrats have made it quite obvious that while they have their faults, they aren't literally promising to do worse.
  Endorsing the political parties that for years have enriched corporations and shit on people misery and rights doesn't seem the best way to address these problems.
  I'm beginning to notice you're cherry picking responses and not being fair. Go on, compare how the GOP has acted in regards to the livelihood and lives of others. Can you say: Abortion ban? Contraceptive restrictions? Lynching? The motherfucking coup attempt?
  Just know that after we keep the Seat of the President most of us will support you in stopping Gaza.
  Who is "we"? are you a member of the democrat party? What's your plan to support the end of the genocide once elections are over?
  What's your plan if Trump and the GOP head the nation in a few months and things get worse? Personally, I expect your kind to suddenly go quiet in embarrassment and shame, or fear if you're smart.
  You're wrong. Not about Gaza, that shit is absolutely evil. About your priorities. Just like those on the Right, you stand so firm on your tiny little pedestal that you're convinced your perspective is the only right one. We have a choice between possibly making things better and a guarantee they'll get worse. You're just so damned stuck that even if you saw merit in my argument you wouldn't admit it for fear of seeming like you're in support of the genocide. In reality, by obfuscating the narrative and causing division, you may find yourself an ally of, if not far greater evil acts, then much more of the same dotted through hundreds of communities and threatened the world over.
  
  We have a choice between possibly making things better and a guarantee they’ll get worse.
  Nothing will ever change if things stay exactly as they are. You seem in good faith but you seem to not have realize yet how much rigged the system around you is. Evil has no allies among good
  
  I do agree with you. Change is needed. However, the timing is wrong. This is why I don't denounce your perspective, only your timing.
  
  It's election time and there's a genocide going on as we speak. Suit yourself and wait
  
  And the rest of the world could take it upon themselves to do something. Yet, as with every major election, people just like you are tricked into ignoring the problems we must face here, to fix other issues elsewhere. There is always a conflict. Always.
  But hey, be a proxy to the problem, world cop. I won't stop you, can't stop you. I can tell you you're wrong. Shitty as it is we're making a disgusting choice to not jeopardize an election against a fascist state. I'm sorry if you feel so strongly that the minorities, LGBTQ+ community, women, and the children of this country aren't worth your time. Them and others are the ones we are trying to protect, along with the rest of the world which will suffer if the U.S. falls into fascism.
  
  an election against a fascist state
  If you are against a fascist state you should look at third parties or else
  
  Uh-huh. And in a two party system where one side has been proven beyond doubt to be worse, you want us to vote third party while that side literally promises fascism if they win.
  Yeah sure, and while I do that I'll donate $20 to charity and believe over half of it actually goes to the cause.
  You see, all you 3rd party types never put in the work. You just come scuttling out of a dark corner every four years, yell about it, do literally nothing except confuse people and steal a few votes, and then disappear. No work in local elections, hardly a peep in off years, zero long term commitment to build a base. All of it derailment and disillusionment.
  You want change? Shut up and do the work.
  
  And in a two party system where one side has been proven beyond doubt to be worse,
  They are both fascists, if your concern is fascism don't vote for them

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